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Posted by django on Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:02 am
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Newton-Le-willows-Warrior wrote:
right then damo time for my return arguement.

sean o'loughlin has many aspects sinfield doesnt have, number one being a brutal defense. He puts so many shots on and his technique is fantastic. he also works the ground extremely well and is a very good niggler at the play the ball, he leads wigan by example with the aggression he puts into his tackles and he can be ferocious in the contact, i recall him putting a screaming shot on one of the castleford players in the playoffs off a richards drop out and the whole ground felt it that night.

O'loughlin also doesnt have the luxury to be surrounded by a top quality team; especially this season since the departure of barrett, Oloughlins leadership skills, which have been brought into question in the past, have shone this season and he is developing into a fine captain. No doubt he will always be compared to previous 13's who have played for wigan but in his own right SOL could become a wigan legend at 13.

O'Loughlin also has an attacking game and that was evident to see throughout this season, he has stood up and has ran some cracking lines for wigan, he makes tremendous yards and has a varied kicking game (remember the city of manchester test when his kicking game was the turning point). o'loughlin is more of an out and out 13 whereas sinfield could be seen as more of a standoff, however sean also played stand off during his early wigan career quite successfully.

O'Loughlin also never fails to perform at international level, even when played out of position in the second row, he is extremely highly respected in australia as being a player who can cause the aussies some damage, also with his high impact defensive game he would go very well in australia. pity he is injured this year because i have no question lockers would be in that line up and rightfully so.


http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009

Check the link. They are different types of players. O'Loughlin makes more meters, more tackles and more missed tackles. Whilst Sinfield makes more offloads, more attacking kicks and more kicks in general play. Basically, if you want a player to punch holes through the defence, go for O'Loughlin. However, if you want one to actually control the game, go for Sinfield.


...as for O'loughlin performing well at second row, you could argue that thats the best position for a man with his direct running / defence breaking skills.
Post Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:52 am
Posted by Dico on Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:52 am
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O'Loughlins a good distributer though, 13's the place but at International level I'd rather have him where peacocks playing now
Post Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:10 pm
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Does Sinfield being named the best loose forward in the world today conclude any discussion about who the better players is, not that there should ever have been much of a discussion in my opinion?
Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.


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Posted by pyeman on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:16 pm
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Does Sinfield being named the best loose forward in the world today conclude any discussion about who the better players is, not that there should ever have been much of a discussion in my opinion?


I dont really understand that award, whens he played at hooker he's looked fantastic but when he played loose forward he hasnt (even most leeds fans agreed he had a poor first half against the aussies before he moved to 9).

If anything he should have been a candidate for the hooker position surely?
when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....

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Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.


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The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague


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Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.


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Post Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:18 pm
Posted by tigertot on Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:18 pm
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G1 wrote:
Does Sinfield being named the best loose forward in the world today conclude any discussion about who the better players is, not that there should ever have been much of a discussion in my opinion?


I suppose it depends who named him. Woz it Damo?
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pyeman wrote:
I dont really understand that award, whens he played at hooker he's looked fantastic but when he played loose forward he hasnt (even most leeds fans agreed he had a poor first half against the aussies before he moved to 9).

If anything he should have been a candidate for the hooker position surely?
I don't think its' based solely on the 4 nations but i disagree with you anyway.

Against Australia he played LF, hooker and stand off and was our most creative player from all three positions, IMO.

Last weekend he played hooker and Lf and was clearly the best player on the park.
Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.


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Post Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:13 pm
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tigertot wrote:
I suppose it depends who named him. Woz it Damo?
is there a higher authority?
Every player in our squad could probably earn more money with another club. But they prefer to sacrifice a few extra quid in their back pocket to share special memories. And playing at a place like Old Trafford on a night like this makes it all worthwhile.


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Post Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:31 pm
Posted by pyeman on Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:31 pm
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G1 wrote:
I don't think its' based solely on the 4 nations but i disagree with you anyway.

Against Australia he played LF, hooker and stand off and was our most creative player from all three positions, IMO.

Last weekend he played hooker and Lf and was clearly the best player on the park.


In the second half playing hooker he was excellent, but in the first half playing loose he was no where near as effective.
when the score got to 50 we shouted for more, up popped brad davis went over for four.....

......and its no nay never no nay never no more will we face religation......

big barrie mac.' the cas forads av been bob on'

chissitt wrote:
Pyeman I wish you would stop talking so much sense. I am in danger of becomming one of your biggest fans. :lol:


vastman wrote:
Westerman looks the most promising for a long time.


Leyther_Matt wrote:
The best proper 'rugby pub' in the country has to be the Boot Room at Cas


Bolton_Warrior wrote:
The only time I ever doubted going to watch Wigan was when we bare face cheated to stay in superleague


Danril wrote:
Last night, despite being poor and not deserving the win, we should have won.


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Posted by Damo-Leeds on Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:17 pm
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Newton-Le-willows-Warrior wrote:
right then damo time for my return arguement.

sean o'loughlin has many aspects sinfield doesnt have, number one being a brutal defense. He puts so many shots on and his technique is fantastic. he also works the ground extremely well and is a very good niggler at the play the ball, he leads wigan by example with the aggression he puts into his tackles and he can be ferocious in the contact, i recall him putting a screaming shot on one of the castleford players in the playoffs off a richards drop out and the whole ground felt it that night.

O'loughlin also doesnt have the luxury to be surrounded by a top quality team; especially this season since the departure of barrett, Oloughlins leadership skills, which have been brought into question in the past, have shone this season and he is developing into a fine captain. No doubt he will always be compared to previous 13's who have played for wigan but in his own right SOL could become a wigan legend at 13.

O'Loughlin also has an attacking game and that was evident to see throughout this season, he has stood up and has ran some cracking lines for wigan, he makes tremendous yards and has a varied kicking game (remember the city of manchester test when his kicking game was the turning point). o'loughlin is more of an out and out 13 whereas sinfield could be seen as more of a standoff, however sean also played stand off during his early wigan career quite successfully.

O'Loughlin also never fails to perform at international level, even when played out of position in the second row, he is extremely highly respected in australia as being a player who can cause the aussies some damage, also with his high impact defensive game he would go very well in australia. pity he is injured this year because i have no question lockers would be in that line up and rightfully so.

Given it a bit of though the two of them are very different rugby league players. I can’t always get everything right but I still stick by the point that Kevin is the better player.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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Damo-Leeds wrote:
Given it a bit of though the two of them are very different rugby league players. I can’t always get everything right but I still stick by the point that Kevin is the better player.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.


My God! Someone who's actally prepared to say when they've made a mistake. Quick, somebody stuff him and put him on display. I don't expect to see this on RLFans ever again! :shock: :lol:

Good on ya Damo!
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