Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:36 am  

surely you'd pick the next available player from wigan or leeds to replace reed?

or knowing how it works, tomkins will be at FB and hardaker in the centre just to allow us to shoehorn tomkins in the team.

fwiw, i think we have some very good backs, from all the clubs not just the usual.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:59 am  

If Reed is out then its hard to argue that Shenton hasn't earned a place as next in line based on this years performances.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:08 pm  

If Cuthbertson is selected England might as well change the name to "anyone who cant get into theAustralian or NZ side". Change the crest and Jersey whilst your at it.

Just because Aus and NZ do it why should we? If they jumped off a cliff would you follow suit?

And if a youngster with aspirations to play for England saw that average NRL journeymen were getting into the side before our own he'd wonder what the point nis

Cue rage posts from Rhino fans.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:21 pm  

that ship sailed long ago when we selected Rangi Chase.Chris Heighington and Maurie fausavalu (sic).

As Andy Gilder says, his father is English that would be more than enough to get him selected in any other sport.Do you not think Australia wouldn't want someone like James Graham to play for them if his father was born there?

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:42 pm  

Willzay wrote:

If Cuthbertson is selected England might as well change the name to "anyone who cant get into theAustralian or NZ side". Change the crest and Jersey whilst your at it.

Just because Aus and NZ do it why should we? If they jumped off a cliff would you follow suit?

And if a youngster with aspirations to play for England saw that average NRL journeymen were getting into the side before our own he'd wonder what the point nis

Cue rage posts from Rhino fans.

His Dad is from Warrington (and he still has family in Warrington) which makes him half British. He now lives and plays in Leeds and has said he wants to play for England. I don't see the problem at all. It's not like we're just letting any old player with two Aussie or Kiwi parents play just because he's over here now.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:44 pm  

Willzay wrote:

And if a youngster with aspirations to play for England saw that average NRL journeymen...

Man of Steel nominee journeyman, if you please.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:01 pm  

Him wrote:

1. Hardaker
2. Burgess
3. Watkins
4. Reed
5. Hall
6. Tomkins
7. Widdop
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Walmsley
11. Tomkins
12. Bateman
13. O'Loughlin

14. Gale
15. Whitehead
16. Burgess
17. Cuthbertson

18. Clark
19. McGillvary
20. Hill
21. Williams
22. Cooper
23. Farrell
24. Percival

Not sure why you would have/need a halfback on the bench, why you would have no interchange hooker, why you have picked Elliot Whitehead (who has hardly played this year). Even more insure why Chris Hill isn't in your 17.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:29 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Sarginson will be lucky to make the start of next season after an op.

I'd go Percival myself with John Bateman covering him and Watkins. I know many will go for Shenton and whilst he's a good superleague player, in not sure he's quite at that level needed for test match rugby.

A few months ago I wasn't sure if Percival was ready. Watching his recent performances I've changed my mind on him. He is a classy player already with huge potential. That tackle over the line on Hall has proved how strong he is. With Reed out I he would certainly be in my team.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:35 pm  

Watkins won't be playing. Hardaker is unlikely too.

Re: England team Vs New Zealand : Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:05 pm  

Hardaker
Burgess
Watkins
Percival
Hall
Tomkins
Widdop
Hill
Roby
Graham
Bateman
Whitehead
O'Loughlin

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G. Williams
B. Currie
T. Burgess
A. Walmsley

Every player named deserves a shot. Hardaker should be given a run at FB. Burgess has been awesome. Hall top class as ever along with Watkins. With Reed having pulled out I'd give Percival from Saints a go. Looks very classy. Shenton has been good this year, but is not one for the future and has had his run. Tomkins & Widdop surely no brainers. Forward line picks itself. Graham must start. Hill deserves to start. Burgess and Walmsley to add impact from the bench. Bateman has been Wigan's best player - should have been picked ahead of Farrell in the dream team. 22 and sheer class. Whitehead brilliant for Les Catalans and Lockers in at 13.

Williams and Currie deserve a shot. Williams can cover 6 7 and 9. Has been outstanding for Wigan. Currie the stand out young forward of the year at Wire. 2 players for the future who should play over your tried and tested Rob Burrow's and a 30 year old Aussie in Cuthbertson.