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Re: RL getting more like football ?
Post Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:27 pm
Posted by Exiled down south on Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:27 pm
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And the amount of disrespect and swearing at officials, I think, has now overtaken football. All some players seem to do is moan at the ref: Chris Hill, Sam Tomkins, Jon Wilkin, Danny Maguire..


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Re: RL getting more like football ?
Post Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:43 pm
Posted by Superted on Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:43 pm
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A lot of the messy aspects of our game could be fixed real easy with consistent allocation on the rules at all times - no more refs being able to have an interpretation, no dominant/surrender calls, just apply the rules as they are written, every tackle.

Refs should stop 'coaching' during the game. If they're offside, regardless of involved in play or not (by being offside out wide or on the blind side, the attacking team can't go that way), ping them. If defenders don't release the tackled man on the held call, ping them. If the defenders don't release once the tackle has ended on the floor, ping them. If the attacker doesn't regain his feet before placing the ball on the ground to play it, ping them. If they don't play the ball with their foot, ping them.... it's easy. Cleaning up the ruck by making defenders clear immediately will make the game faster, but making the attacker regain his feet and play the ball correctly as per the rules will negate this.

A simple focus on applying the rules literally will make the referees job so much easier and will also bring some of their egos in check. There are a couple who very much enjoy being the centre of attention and the power that they have - if they're there simply to apply the rules without the need for their interpretation, it makes the whole thing much better for everyone.

Draw a line in the sand, accept that we're going to have the pea blown out of the whistle for a fee weeks, but stick with it, it would soon fix itself and we'd have a much better spectacle.
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Post Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:44 pm
Posted by ALAW on Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:44 pm
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Superted wrote:
A lot of the messy aspects of our game could be fixed real easy with consistent allocation on the rules at all times - no more refs being able to have an interpretation, no dominant/surrender calls, just apply the rules as they are written, every tackle.

Refs should stop 'coaching' during the game. If they're offside, regardless of involved in play or not (by being offside out wide or on the blind side, the attacking team can't go that way), ping them. If defenders don't release the tackled man on the held call, ping them. If the defenders don't release once the tackle has ended on the floor, ping them. If the attacker doesn't regain his feet before placing the ball on the ground to play it, ping them. If they don't play the ball with their foot, ping them.... it's easy. Cleaning up the ruck by making defenders clear immediately will make the game faster, but making the attacker regain his feet and play the ball correctly as per the rules will negate this.

A simple focus on applying the rules literally will make the referees job so much easier and will also bring some of their egos in check. There are a couple who very much enjoy being the centre of attention and the power that they have - if they're there simply to apply the rules without the need for their interpretation, it makes the whole thing much better for everyone.

Draw a line in the sand, accept that we're going to have the pea blown out of the whistle for a fee weeks, but stick with it, it would soon fix itself and we'd have a much better spectacle.

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Re: RL getting more like football ?
Post Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:30 pm
Posted by Jukesays on Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:30 pm
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Superted wrote:
A lot of the messy aspects of our game could be fixed real easy with consistent allocation on the rules at all times - no more refs being able to have an interpretation, no dominant/surrender calls, just apply the rules as they are written, every tackle.

Refs should stop 'coaching' during the game. If they're offside, regardless of involved in play or not (by being offside out wide or on the blind side, the attacking team can't go that way), ping them. If defenders don't release the tackled man on the held call, ping them. If the defenders don't release once the tackle has ended on the floor, ping them. If the attacker doesn't regain his feet before placing the ball on the ground to play it, ping them. If they don't play the ball with their foot, ping them.... it's easy. Cleaning up the ruck by making defenders clear immediately will make the game faster, but making the attacker regain his feet and play the ball correctly as per the rules will negate this.

A simple focus on applying the rules literally will make the referees job so much easier and will also bring some of their egos in check. There are a couple who very much enjoy being the centre of attention and the power that they have - if they're there simply to apply the rules without the need for their interpretation, it makes the whole thing much better for everyone.

Draw a line in the sand, accept that we're going to have the pea blown out of the whistle for a fee weeks, but stick with it, it would soon fix itself and we'd have a much better spectacle.


Wasn't there a game about 10 years ago where they kind of experimented with this and referee was told to ping every single penalty.
Sure it was a NL1 game and at halftime there were 26/27penalties
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Re: RL getting more like football ?
Post Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:29 pm
Posted by Mr Dog on Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:29 pm
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Jukesays wrote:
All teams do it, we just choose to see the ones that we want.

As for the stepping over the marker etc this time last year we had a clampdown that I agreed with on players stepping over defenders to ptb. This year, nothing!
Players should stand up and ptb immediately and not step over defender or to the side to ptb.
When they step to the side they invariably then penalise defender for not being square.


Both sides were penalised for moving off the mark after a tackled player stepped over a prone defender to ptb in last Sunday's Fev/Swinton game.
Re: RL getting more like football ?
Post Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:01 pm
Posted by Superted on Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:01 pm
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Both sides were penalised for moving off the mark after a tackled player stepped over a prone defender to ptb in last Sunday's Fev/Swinton game.

And this is the problem, it's so inconsistent, so then when a ref does decide to apply the rules, everyone goes mad because it's a case of them pulling rules out of their backside as a one off. It's madness.
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Post Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:22 pm
Posted by Psychedelic Casual on Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:22 pm
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Superted wrote:
A lot of the messy aspects of our game could be fixed real easy with consistent allocation on the rules at all times - no more refs being able to have an interpretation, no dominant/surrender calls, just apply the rules as they are written, every tackle.

Refs should stop 'coaching' during the game. If they're offside, regardless of involved in play or not (by being offside out wide or on the blind side, the attacking team can't go that way), ping them. If defenders don't release the tackled man on the held call, ping them. If the defenders don't release once the tackle has ended on the floor, ping them. If the attacker doesn't regain his feet before placing the ball on the ground to play it, ping them. If they don't play the ball with their foot, ping them.... it's easy. Cleaning up the ruck by making defenders clear immediately will make the game faster, but making the attacker regain his feet and play the ball correctly as per the rules will negate this.

A simple focus on applying the rules literally will make the referees job so much easier and will also bring some of their egos in check. There are a couple who very much enjoy being the centre of attention and the power that they have - if they're there simply to apply the rules without the need for their interpretation, it makes the whole thing much better for everyone.

Draw a line in the sand, accept that we're going to have the pea blown out of the whistle for a fee weeks, but stick with it, it would soon fix itself and we'd have a much better spectacle.

Ive been saying this for years

A month or two of tough refereeing performances and the knowledge that it would be like this forever and the game would be sped up and far less messing about and cheating. It’s just the culture of the sport and if you know you won’t get away with it coaches wouldn’t instruct players to cheat and make the game worse to watch just to make their win record better
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Re: RL getting more like football ?
Post Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:55 pm
Posted by wrencat1873 on Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:55 pm
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Psychedelic Casual wrote:
Ive been saying this for years

A month or two of tough refereeing performances and the knowledge that it would be like this forever and the game would be sped up and far less messing about and cheating. It’s just the culture of the sport and if you know you won’t get away with it coaches wouldn’t instruct players to cheat and make the game worse to watch just to make their win record better


Nail hit firmly on head.
Clamp down for a short while and lets make the game better to watch :BOW:
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Post Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:02 pm
Posted by Grimmy on Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:02 pm
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Superted wrote:
And this is the problem, it's so inconsistent, so then when a ref does decide to apply the rules, everyone goes mad because it's a case of them pulling rules out of their backside as a one off. It's madness.

Absolutely no chance that it's a coincidence that both sides were penalised once in the same game. Ticking a box.
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Re: RL getting more like football ?
Post Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:16 pm
Posted by Slugger McBatt on Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:16 pm
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1. Don't give penalties for a player going to ground when there's a hand on the player's back. They'll stop it.
2. Penalise every time there is a hand in the ruck after held. They'll stop it.
3. If the ref thinks a player has played to get a penalty, penalise them, even if the opposing player is technically at fault.
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