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So the RFU have allowed an increase in salary cap and allowed a marquee players wages to be excluded from the salary cap figures...much like the NRL.... Did the good doctor consult for them too?
The superleague has been losing its best talent for years whilst other organisations have made developments to keep theirs. Koukash isn't some sort of pioneer, he's just someone else who has piped up and suggested that the superleague should do more to keep its marquee players.
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So the RFU have allowed an increase in salary cap and allowed a marquee players wages to be excluded from the salary cap figures...much like the NRL.... Did the good doctor consult for them too?
The superleague has been losing its best talent for years whilst other organisations have made developments to keep theirs. Koukash isn't some sort of pioneer, he's just someone else who has piped up and suggested that the superleague should do more to keep its marquee players.
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So answer me this and answer it honestly are Castleford and Wakefield NOT holding us back? Just answer that question with a simple yes or no'"
So you're entire post goes on about London and Wakefield but doesn't mention Castleford barring the last sentence? Is that barring the stadia and recent seasonal performances, you don't actually have a leg to stand on?
And if we are holding the game back may I ask why we apparently voted against the Stobart deal, whilst yourselves - according to the Telegraph - voted for it www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -deal.html
Isn't everyone screaming on here about how the Stobart deal was a failure and has set the game back? Food for thought. Perhaps the reason we're not able to compete on a similar level is because a) there is not enough income in the game; and b) we haven't had a supportive council and sugar-daddy to fund money into us to take us to that next level.
You're perception of a lack of ambition is misguided. We'd love to be challenging, we'd love to be successful. We just have to do it the hard way, not the easy way. Unless you can see many multi-billionaires floating around wanting to invest in RL. And it certainly doesn't help that sponsorship contributions were nil over the last few seasons.
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So answer me this and answer it honestly are Castleford and Wakefield NOT holding us back? Just answer that question with a simple yes or no'"
So you're entire post goes on about London and Wakefield but doesn't mention Castleford barring the last sentence? Is that barring the stadia and recent seasonal performances, you don't actually have a leg to stand on?
And if we are holding the game back may I ask why we apparently voted against the Stobart deal, whilst yourselves - according to the Telegraph - voted for it www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... -deal.html
Isn't everyone screaming on here about how the Stobart deal was a failure and has set the game back? Food for thought. Perhaps the reason we're not able to compete on a similar level is because a) there is not enough income in the game; and b) we haven't had a supportive council and sugar-daddy to fund money into us to take us to that next level.
You're perception of a lack of ambition is misguided. We'd love to be challenging, we'd love to be successful. We just have to do it the hard way, not the easy way. Unless you can see many multi-billionaires floating around wanting to invest in RL. And it certainly doesn't help that sponsorship contributions were nil over the last few seasons.
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| Quote Fully="Fully"Not true.
Homegrown players count on the cap but you can have dispensations of:
-£50k for ONE club trained player nominated of choice.
- A MAX of £100k for a player/s in the ETS or Knights squad. But this is £10k per player in the ETS or £5k per player in the Knights.
It is not £100k on one player or £100k on all players.'"
That's the current rule, it has been changed to what has been said:
Quote Fully="the rfl proposals"
5.3.11 In Tier 1, the current Elite Squad Representative Dispensation Allowance is removed, to be replaced by regulation that limits the Salary Cap Value of a Club Trained Player at a nominal value of £100k (i.e. for any Club Trained Player with a Salary Cap Value of over £100k, his Salary Cap Value will be assessed at £100k only with any additional wage not included in his salary cap value). This would reward clubs for producing elite talent and give them an opportunity to retain this talent in the face of competition from other sports and competitions.
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So as said, saints would have roby in that category who would be limited "to the nominal value of 100k". If saints also signed graham, he too would be in the same category and of value 100k.
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| I did not know that. However, that is still to be ratified and is not in place as of yet so it still remains as was.
Though, I think the Club Trained Rules need to be tightened - I don't agree with a player changing clubs under 21 and still counting. It should be a player that has played continuously for the same club for three years under the age of 21. Any movement before or after 21st birthday means full salary cap value applies again.
The only exceptions being anyone who moves at 17/18 and plays at the same club until 21.
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Quote Fully="Fully"I did not know that. However, that is still to be ratified and is not in place as of yet so it still remains as was.
Though, I think the Club Trained Rules need to be tightened - I don't agree with a player changing clubs under 21 and still counting. It should be a player that has played continuously for the same club for three years under the age of 21. Any movement before or after 21st birthday means full salary cap value applies again.
The only exceptions being anyone who moves at 17/18 and plays at the same club until 21.'"
This is tied in with the league structure, so for this not to go through requires the league structure to go through - along with a whole host of other issues - return of the reserves (though is optional), increase in non fed trained players to 7, a similar rule for championship clubs as above (though they're limited to 40k)
A full read: media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Policy%2 ... 202013.pdf
I'm not sure about the club trained status, it's a difficult position to be in: for example jon Wilkin is due his testimonial next year I believe, and has played all of his senior rugby with saints, I'd find it hard for him not to be defined as a home grown player, even though he was brought over from hull kr - I don't think it should be done by age, rather who you made your first team debut for.
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Quote Fully="Fully"I did not know that. However, that is still to be ratified and is not in place as of yet so it still remains as was.
Though, I think the Club Trained Rules need to be tightened - I don't agree with a player changing clubs under 21 and still counting. It should be a player that has played continuously for the same club for three years under the age of 21. Any movement before or after 21st birthday means full salary cap value applies again.
The only exceptions being anyone who moves at 17/18 and plays at the same club until 21.'"
This is tied in with the league structure, so for this not to go through requires the league structure to go through - along with a whole host of other issues - return of the reserves (though is optional), increase in non fed trained players to 7, a similar rule for championship clubs as above (though they're limited to 40k)
A full read: media.therfl.co.uk/docs/Policy%2 ... 202013.pdf
I'm not sure about the club trained status, it's a difficult position to be in: for example jon Wilkin is due his testimonial next year I believe, and has played all of his senior rugby with saints, I'd find it hard for him not to be defined as a home grown player, even though he was brought over from hull kr - I don't think it should be done by age, rather who you made your first team debut for.
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| However, the RFL still have to sort out finances, funding, salary caps etc and so this will fall under this, which I presume will all have to be ratified by the Super League clubs.
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