Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:36 pm  

mat wrote:

There are set funding levels for each position in championship which determine funding for the year. top place is 780k, 2nd 760k, 3rd 550k, 4th 500k then a drop to 250k for 5th and a sliding scale for remaining positions dow to 12th with lowest place getting 150k. Not sure if those are the exact figures but their pretty close.

Each teams position is their position at end of previous season, But at top of league if someone gets promoted then everyone above them shuffles down a place and relegated team comes into league in position number one for funding purposes. so last year hull kr came down and received funding leigh would have got for finishing top ( likewise leigh received full SL funding Hullkr would have received if they had stayed up).

Likewise at bottom of league the two teams coming up are ranked as 11th and 12th for funding purposes and will receive the funding amounts us an whoever goes down would have got. we drop into Championship one and receive the fixed 75k funding all championship one clubs get.

This year both us and the 2nd promoted club from last year were on the lowest 150k amount. we should have got 250k for finishing 5th last year ( pluss 100k prize money for winning championship shield IIRC). Presumably the 100k we were docked plus the 100k prize money we never saw for championship shield went into same pot as the 135k portion of this years central funding that RFL also withheld to pay back the rugby debts.

So - next year we will get more actual central funding, more sponsorship, more ticket money and more merchandising cash than we actually got this year? Cool

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:10 pm  

Block5Bull wrote:

I'm very happy thank you. And I think pretty much everyone left on here now is a lifelong supporter. I know I am.

But my point was not that I think Chalmers is trustworthy, it was that given where we are I think that having a plan that builds for the future is a good thing.

That doesn't mean that Chalmers is someone who can deliver against it. But I think the shape of the plan is about as good as we can hope for. A 4 year recovery plan that sees us in a strong position to apply for a SL licence. And at that stage we have built sustainable income streams, have a reserve team, improved academy - things that a lot of current SL clubs don't have - that would see us set up very well for the future.

I don't think that anyone was or is expecting a miracle announcement.

First of all; your last sentence is incorrect - at least one of us was definitely hoping for a miracle announcement; sorry, but I was.

Secondly - using the word "plan" over and over again may convince you but it means jack poop to me.

Hitler had a plan to take over the world - guess what?

If AC's speech convinced you and everyone else on here - great, that was the whole point of it - I'm not knocking you, or anyone else for being a believer. If thats what you need to get you through the next 12 months, fine.
I needed something a bit more substantial. But like I said before - we're all different - if AC's speech floated your boat - good for you.

But whether you like it or not - I'm not gonna buy a season ticket until I can see the "plan" actual achieve something - if you dont like that - tough. It's my money - I do wtf I want with it. If in 4 years time I'm wrong - whats the downside? I'll still be a Bulls fan; the Bulls will be doing well but I will be less skint.

Lets just agree to disagree on this - we're all Bulls fans - so whats the point of squabbling between ourselves.

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:31 am  

Smack him Jimmy wrote:

Lets just agree to disagree on this - we're all Bulls fans - so whats the point of squabbling between ourselves.

I see no harm in that - the first bit that is!

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:21 am  

Smack him Jimmy wrote:

First of all; your last sentence is incorrect - at least one of us was definitely hoping for a miracle announcement; sorry, but I was.

Secondly - using the word "plan" over and over again may convince you but it means jack poop to me.

Hitler had a plan to take over the world - guess what?

If AC's speech convinced you and everyone else on here - great, that was the whole point of it - I'm not knocking you, or anyone else for being a believer. If thats what you need to get you through the next 12 months, fine.
I needed something a bit more substantial. But like I said before - we're all different - if AC's speech floated your boat - good for you.

But whether you like it or not - I'm not gonna buy a season ticket until I can see the "plan" actual achieve something - if you dont like that - tough. It's my money - I do wtf I want with it. If in 4 years time I'm wrong - whats the downside? I'll still be a Bulls fan; the Bulls will be doing well but I will be less skint.

Lets just agree to disagree on this - we're all Bulls fans - so whats the point of squabbling between ourselves.

His plan no doubt requires season ticket sales.if everyone declined there would be no club to support...

Just a thought....

[Bulliac]

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:07 am  

Highlander wrote:

So - next year we will get more actual central funding, more sponsorship, more ticket money and more merchandising cash than we actually got this year? Cool

Well, yes we definitely get more funding, except that we seem to be (to the best of my knowledge) the only Division 3 side with a compulsory academy system to pay for. £75K will barely pay for the coaches, so in actual fact we're actually on a minus figure for funding.

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:18 am  

Surely not wrote:

His plan no doubt requires season ticket sales.if everyone declined there would be no club to support...

Just a thought....

I know what you are saying but,

In December 2016 there was nearly no club to support; but season tickets had already been bought by the fans, so it didnt help then.

If the purchase of season tickets was the panacea we wouldnt be in this dire straight now.

All of us fans have been pumping money into Bradford Bulls for years and years.
All the while Nige has been pumping £300,000 into his bank account year after year.

The RFL forced the Bulls to play this ridiculous season in the Championship purely for their own benefit.
Who else benefited from the Bulls being in this league? - not the Bulls fans who put their hard earned cash into it.

The RFL used us - for their own selfish benefit.

The Bulls club is still being used as a pawn in a bigger "plan" that will no doubt become clearer in the next 12 months.

The Bulls club will not disappear unless the RFL want it to - irrespective of how much the fans put into it.

If none of us bought a season ticket - would the Bulls club do worse than the last 3 seasons or at worse disappear

If more than 3000 season tickets were sold for next season - does that guarantee anything? anything? - of course it doesnt.

The only thing that can seriously change our clubs fortune is some BIG money coming in.

Tell you what - Instead of a season ticket, I'll buy the equivalent in lottery tickets and if I win big I'll give 50% to the Bulls
- I could even call that a "plan"

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:31 am  

[quote="Smack him Jimmy"]I know what you are saying but,

In December 2016 there was nearly no club to support; but season tickets had already been bought by the fans, so it didnt help then.

If the purchase of season tickets was the panacea we wouldnt be in this dire straight now.

All of us fans have been pumping money into Bradford Bulls for years and years.
All the while Nige has been pumping £300,000 into his bank account year after year.

The RFL forced the Bulls to play this ridiculous season in the Championship purely for their own benefit.
Who else benefited from the Bulls being in this league? - not the Bulls fans who put their hard earned cash into it.

The RFL used us - for their own selfish benefit.

The Bulls club is still being used as a pawn in a bigger "plan" that will no doubt become clearer in the next 12 months.

The Bulls club will not disappear unless the RFL want it to - irrespective of how much the fans put into it.

If none of us bought a season ticket - would the Bulls club do worse than the last 3 seasons or at worse disappear

If more than 3000 season tickets were sold for next season - does that guarantee anything? anything? - of course it doesnt.

The only thing that can seriously change our clubs fortune is some BIG money coming in.

Tell you what - Instead of a season ticket, I'll buy the equivalent in lottery tickets and if I win big I'll give 50% to the Bulls
- I could even call that a "plan" [/quote

The previous regimes were robbing Peter to pay paul ,turning over creditors left right and centre,anyone would be naturally cautious with the new set up .
The point I was making was -if everyone took that stance it would penalise the current owners who had done nothing wrong.

A bit like docking 12 points off a new team ..

I applaud the lottery gesture though

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:46 pm  

Surely not wrote:

His plan no doubt requires season ticket sales.if everyone declined there would be no club to support...

Just a thought....

A thought that the last 4 club owners have used to play on all our heart strings in order to make us part with our money. Those heart strings for a few of us now are toughened to the point they don't quiver quite so easily any more.

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:50 pm  

HamsterChops wrote:

A thought that the last 4 club owners have used to play on all our heart strings in order to make us part with our money. Those heart strings for a few of us now are toughened to the point they don't quiver quite so easily any more.

This

Re: Fans Forum 16th August : Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:25 pm  

Smack him Jimmy wrote:

This

Of course they have rolled out the season ticket sales card, like I mentioned before they are robbing Peter to pay paul constantly

There are no rich sugar daddies on the horizon so it's a necessary evil unfortunately,so -if your not happy with this or are a tiny bit doubtful then keep your money in your pocket. All that will happen then is the task becomes even harder for the people trying to turn it round.

If they have budgeted for 3000 tickets and sell 2000 then they are behind the 8 ball from day 1,though I think the target is achievable.

Past owners (khan) budgeted for 10 thousand crowds -that was cuckoo land