Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:41 am  

woolly07 wrote:

So you have just called 17.3 million people racists because you don't agree with them.
It is clear that you can not take part in a reasonable debate without insulting people.
If you class yourself as a sensible and reasonable adult you should be ashamed of yourself.

To the moderator. This is the danger of this type of thread. It should now be closed as this above poster has become abusive. Everyone has the right to their opinion but they should not be abusive to others.

He did not say that all Brexiteers are rascists but it's a pretty sure bet that all rascists are Brexiteers.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:43 am  

And 17.3 million people. About a 1/4 of the population. How is that a majority? Still makes me furious.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:51 am  

woolly07 wrote:

So you have just called 17.3 million people racists because you don't agree with them.
It is clear that you can not take part in a reasonable debate without insulting people.
If you class yourself as a sensible and reasonable adult you should be ashamed of yourself.

To the moderator. This is the danger of this type of thread. It should now be closed as this above poster has become abusive. Everyone has the right to their opinion but they should not be abusive to others.

Faux hysteria noted. FA has already corrected your post. What I would say is that every leave person I heard on the radio around Brexit time spoke about their fear of immigration, foreigners taking proud Brit's jobs/houses/hospital beds, & taking back control of laws from foreigners. IMO that is a classic definition of xenophobia. I know a number of people who voted Brexit, some of them I would have to class as friends, but know they are not racist, though they still exhibit an illogical fear of foreign law makers. If that is too much for your obvious sensitive disposition I apologise.
What you will see happen, & is happening, is all those xenophobes & racists will move on to the next faux enemy when we have left Europe & kicked all the forriners out. That will be the unemployed, homeless, long-term ill, prisoners, poor etc. There is a poem written by German priest Martin Niemöller which I suggest you look up.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:58 am  

debaser wrote:

And 17.3 million people. About a 1/4 of the population. How is that a majority? Still makes me furious.

37% of the total electorate. See earlier

I'm certain the NHS lie caused a swing of 2-3%. That was the final piece of the jigsaw to deliver a Brexit vote.
And a lie of that magnitude was needed to get it. And for a Brexit politician, the end justifies the means because once they'd won, the right wing media would gloss over the lie that delivered Brexit and continue to smear everyone that didn't toe the line.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:19 am  

woolly07 wrote:

So you have just called 17.3 million people racists because you don't agree with them.
It is clear that you can not take part in a reasonable debate without insulting people.
If you class yourself as a sensible and reasonable adult you should be ashamed of yourself.

To the moderator. This is the danger of this type of thread. It should now be closed as this above poster has become abusive. Everyone has the right to their opinion but they should not be abusive to others.

Eh?

Have a word with yourself.

Tigertot is easily one of (if not THE) most fair minded and intelligent poster I have ever had the fortune to read, on any message board, ever.

The problem nowadays is that people are not allowed to have an opinion because of comments like yours who try to censor anything they disagree with.

I would suggest if you cannot abide by a differing opinion to yours then a message board is not the best place for you to be.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:21 am  

Thanks Mum. I'll be in for tea at the normal time. Love you.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:22 am  

But what about the lie of the punishment budget threatened by George Osbourne? How many did that put off voting for Brexit? Lets be honest the campaigns were poorly run by both.

Also i don't get why people keep bringing up the population percentage of the vote. Those who didn't vote, their opinion is completely irrelvant. I haven't gone back in history to check the full stats, but how many majority governments would we genuinely have had if you took the percentage of the population rather than the elecotrate. 15 million people didn't vote the last GE. In fact the biggest majority is the none voters! The referendum was the biggest turnout ever for a british election/referendum i believe.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:23 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I am sure that the combination of dumbing down and the widespread and sad tendency for people to (a) read nothing longer than a sentence (b) take an interest in little of any importance and (c) the rise in an obsession with trivia has made it very easy for the purveyors of fake news to influence millions. So many on social media nowadays are just hopelessly uninformed and as many are also as gullible as Bempton cliffs, we have the rise to power of the idiot, and the nasty bigmouth.

It's not so much the lies are bigger, their media reach is, as is the expanding potential constituency of morons prepared to swallow them.

That is a very good point about about dumbing down for those who can only take in small, and simple points. Unfortunately, we see it in education now just so the results stay high. The fake news and rise of social media is a real problem. I work in ICT / computing and see the bad side of it every day and see how people say things behind a keyboard that they would not say face to face with a real person. It will only get worse as it depends on people showing restraint - which won't happen.

The reason I was annoyed at the post was I totally dislike people being grouped together (branded) because of a certain reason whether that being their colour, size, language or even political ideology. They could be a black, gay, Tory, vegan with ginger hair and wear glasses and be a really good person. We should not lump lots of people you do not know into one big group simply because they ticked a certain box. It is wrong to do that as people are different. Judge someone how you find them and not on how they look and the world would be better. We just need to be careful which words are used when describing people you don't know. My next door neighbour is a proper racist. He hates foreigners purely because of skin colour and where they are from. I have had heated discussions with him as I believe he is wrong and should get to know people. He voted to remain as his grandson works in France and his sister lives in Spain. It is more complicated than hating foreigners or not.
All I would say is keep the discussions civil and accept peoples differing opinions. It is good that we live in a democracy and have the chance to vote openly but it is also important that results are accepted and people then get on with each other and make things work.

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Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:27 am  

What saddens me is that there is an enduring poltical need for a right wing protest party pandering to the petty and baseless fears of the working classes. The BNP rose to provide a voice for the white working classes who mistakenly thought they'd get one by voting in that way. The BNP were always going to be screwed when UKIP gained prominence as people tripped over themselves to join a party that was perceived to be slightly less toxic. Essentially UKIP is the BNP in lipstick. How the working man and woman can vote for a party that has stated it believes in eroding their working rights, statutory holiday, maternity pay etc simply defies belief. I fell out with the working classes last June. They are so petulant in their desire to strike a blow against a faux establishment that they cheerfully vote to directly harm themselves. It truly sickens me.

Re: O/T - General Election : Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:52 am  

tigertot wrote:

Thanks Mum. I'll be in for tea at the normal time. Love you.

Your dinner is in the dog. You forgot to wipe the toilet seat after yourself again.