Re: Was it Worth It? : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:33 pm  

Interesting that is the 2nd new poster to rab to dredge up that article. As I said to the first poster it absolves caisley of nothing, and if you think Harrisgate wasn't a key (if not only, granted) moment in our downfall then you were either not paying attention at the time or have another agenda to spin now for some rather obvious reason.

I have no particular axe to grind with caisley and would be open to his return, he did more good than bad, but to call the Harris affair anything other than an awful mistake mainly of caisleys making would be delusional.

Re: Was it Worth It? : Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:30 am  

Stan Doffarf wrote:

Caisley was our most successful Chairman until his hubris overcame his judgement. Even at school he was an arrogant git.

He had a shocking relationship with the council and convinced himself the club could do better with control of the stadium. I don't know who did the numbers for him but clearly they got them a bit wrong.

The Harris affair was even more ridiculous, how could he possibly imagine Harris would still be Super League quality after three seasons standing around with his hands in his pockets? Notwithstanding the financial catastrophe, that decision cost us the services of Jamie Peacock and Leon Pryce.

Nevertheless I wouldn't trade the memories. That afternoon at Murrayfield, when we won the Cup for the first time in my lifetime, I'm happy to admit I cried. Moments like that made it all worth it.

Agree with so much of this post. I don't recall a player that came back to league from union who was ever the same player that left our game. However many union players (Tait,Glbbs,Bentley etc) went back to union from league vastly improved on skill and fitness.

I too felt the same at Murrayfield having seen us lose 4 challenge cup finals prior to that. So definitely worth it

Re: Was it Worth It? : Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:55 pm  

Duckman wrote:

Interesting that is the 2nd new poster to rab to dredge up that article. As I said to the first poster it absolves caisley of nothing, and if you think Harrisgate wasn't a key (if not only, granted) moment in our downfall then you were either not paying attention at the time or have another agenda to spin now for some rather obvious reason.

I have no particular axe to grind with caisley and would be open to his return, he did more good than bad, but to call the Harris affair anything other than an awful mistake mainly of caisleys making would be delusional.

I have seen documents from the Rhinos side on the Harris settlement and it's no where near what Hans Christian Hood quoted.

Re: Was it Worth It? : Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:23 pm  

redeverready wrote:

I have seen documents from the Rhinos side on the Harris settlement and it's no where near what Hans Christian Hood quoted.

I think the impact on the squad was just as damaging as any financial loss, put them together and with hindsight it's still terrible.

Re: Was it Worth It? : Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:33 am  

redeverready wrote:

I have seen documents from the Rhinos side on the Harris settlement and it's no where near what Hans Christian Hood quoted.

Peter Hood if I remember said that he inherited a large debt when he took over, but the Harris debacle added much more to it and as the years went by that total debt became more toxic, I can see why he lumped it all on Harrisgate!

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Re: Was it Worth It? : Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:56 am  

It was a major straw, no doubt, but there were many other straws too, mostly before PH took over, but afterwards also, making a significant contribution to the breaking to that particular camel's back.

Re: Was it Worth It? : Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:49 pm  

Blotto wrote:

Peter Hood if I remember said that he inherited a large debt when he took over, but the Harris debacle added much more to it and as the years went by that total debt became more toxic, I can see why he lumped it all on Harrisgate!

Giving Mcnamara a 4 year deal then not acting quickly enough when fans were leaving in the droves because of the tosh been served up was a massive error. Topping that with the cheap season tickets still going ahead with it even after the sponsors who were going to cover short fall had second thoughts.

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Re: Was it Worth It? : Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:08 am  

redeverready wrote:

Giving Mcnamara a 4 year deal then not acting quickly enough when fans were leaving in the droves because of the tosh been served up was a massive error. Topping that with the cheap season tickets still going ahead with it even after the sponsors who were going to cover short fall had second thoughts.

At the end of the day, the McNamara deal was probably the cheapest solution, and remember Macca had already built a decent reputation at the club, though, like most, I'd quibble at the length of the contract for a first time coach.

In the post Caisley era, remember we became very much a 'selling club' to make ends meet, and many 'expensive' people left, both from the team and backroom staff. All in all it was a difficult period which wasn't handled too well, though the people running the show had been dealt a poor hand.

Fans will always be fans though and just like today, a few will always moan because we aren't singing internationals any more. Back then we were losing internationals and it had many fans jumping up and down and shouting and blaming it all on the coach and chairman. To repeat myself they, both coach and chairman, were firefighting a financial crisis and trying, not particularly well, to keep heads above water on limited resources. All this with a backdrop of fans who just wanted Hape, Vainikolo et al replaced by players of similar stature. I blame Hood for some of it but don't condemn him, by any means.