Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:22 am  

An attempt to figure out who the best teams in SL were against us. Win ratio against us plotted against mean points difference against us. Only the weekly rounds for this, no finals series included.



If you're to the right of the vertical dotted lines then you average more points against us than you have conceded to us. If you're above the horizontal dotted line then you have won more games against us than we have against you.

You will notice how much worse than the recently relegated team most of the rest of the league is.

I was surprised by some of the names. Crusaders? But then they didn't turn up in the league until we started to nose dive. They never got us in our pomp. I haven't weighted this in any way to account for number of times a team has played us. Play us once and win by fifty and you're going to look pretty good here.

There's a clustered area of teams there that I can't be bothered labelling. We'll call it Huddersfield and district.

Down at the bottom and receding to the left are the Oldhams, Workingtons, etc that showed their faces but did not last long.

Done in an Economist style because gravitas.

I'll stop now.

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:52 pm  

For comedy:



Huddersfield are better at beating themselves up than anyone else.

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:00 am  

vbfg wrote:

For comedy:



Huddersfield are better at beating themselves up than anyone else.

What I want to know is: What happened to the fly after it had soiled the paper> (regurgitated it's lunch??)

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:33 pm  

You know I haven't snuck into your house and put a print out behind the glass of your screen, right?

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:43 pm  

If you take all the points on that graph and add them up, the total to the power of 3 comes to exactly 666

This conclusively proves that vbfg is in fact Satan.

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:23 pm  

The devil finds work for idle hands and these are some advanced procrastination techniques.

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:07 pm  

Average Gain v Average Tries Scored



That unreadable blob in the middle is Salford's whole season being inseparable from Halifax's time in the M8s.

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:38 pm  

vbfg wrote:

Average Gain v Average Tries Scored



That unreadable blob in the middle is Salford's whole season being inseparable from Halifax's time in the M8s.

For more statistically challenged among us, can you explain this

It looks like we are top at something, but I've no idea what we are top in....

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:55 pm  

Just trying to see who's more effective at turning possession / go forward in to points. I've ripped the data from the match reports on superleague.co.uk.

AvgGain is: (total metres / total carries of the ball) / no games played. Average tries is just average number of tries per match.

It doesn't mean much outside the scope of itself. It's just a broad comparison of teams relative to each other by this one measure - from a very high level view, who turns possession into points. There's nothing in the data about where the tries were scored from, when they were scored, who did it, whether it's off the back of repeated sets camped on the opposition line or if they're from length of the field runs with the ball passing through every pair of hands.

BUT, these are "completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour". All those SL teams constitute every game they played this year (prior to last weekend, because I haven't stolen last week's data yet). For the championship sides playing in the M8s it only shows data from the M8 games.

This plot shows Bradford gaining more ground per carry than all the other teams. But it's nonsense, because Bradford didn't play Wigan or Saints or Huddersfield or Leeds or any team with a defence that would have knocked us all over the park, whereas for all our M8 SL opponents it does include that.

If I filter it down to just M8 games it looks like this:



But honesty's not really the point of the exercise.

Re: Completely arbitrary numbers manipulated in our favour : Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:07 pm  

FWIW, if I flip it round and do the same thing for a team's opposition, i.e as a comparative measure of preventing possession being turned in to points, then it looks like this:



If you're in the top right on this one you're crap.