Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:12 pm  

I suggested nothing. But maybe you know something I do not?

Where's Fox? He's normally close behind.

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:47 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

If only.

We are now late next week, hours from the payroll having to be submitted, with seemingly no realistic expressions of interest. Everyone has been whipped up to a frantic state and become increasingly desperate as the deadline has come ever closer is upon them. The hero rides in as the "rescuer" of last resort, saying that since no-one else seems prepared to save the club he feels it is his responsibility to. What a selfless public-spirited hero, indeed!

Since the situation is by then very dire the terms are necessarily not entirely to the Bulls' advantage, of course. The Bulls go to VP, cutting BCFC's costs significantly and making their board look like heroes. The RFL surrender the lease to the council, for somewhat more than they paid for it, so the RFL board (for once) look like heroes for turning in a tidy profit. A well known guy with interests in distribution etc buys the Odsal site from the council, who make a big profit on the sale and so look heroes to the council taxpayers. He in turn creates new jobs on the site as a result, so he looks a hero to the people of Bradford.

Everyone, indeed, claims to be the hero. Its win win win all round. What a result!

And the Bulls fans and staff? Those who are retained? Well we are told we too are the winners, since we should be grateful we still have a club to support, even though with lot less to spend than previous budgets.

In my fictional account, I'd probably need to indicate whether or not this was all the plan right from the start, and whether the delay in going into administration was also planned notwithstanding further tax liabilities building up in the interim, which would then be defaulted upon. I'd probably also need to indicate whether the pledge was extremely helpful in that it reduced the amounts the new owner had to shell out, so he had no reason to have wanted to see it fail. Even if he may have been pleased that any prospective alternative funders may have been frightened off at the last minute by becoming aware of all the infighting, even though most of the pledge funds had been committed by then.

But, as I said, it would be a work of fiction and doubtless events will soon show that it never actually happened anything like that way, so it would be out of date well before I finished writing it. Wouldn't it?

I don't think this sequence is far off the mark - in fact it may be almost inevitable..

As to plans and engineering - I doubt we will ever know as has already been pointed out at length.

Since the start of this chapter in our history, I (and you) have learnt a lot about the mis-management of our club. I am no longer interested in dissecting it and blame - its pointless now and won't solve anything. However, like most - I am angry and disappointed by the way things have panned out.

Since the shift of power - I continue to be wound up by the deafening silence from the top - I feel like cannon fodder - only needed to pay money over the gate - sod off and don't ask questions.

And so to my point - Assuming we survive, remain in SL and play at VP.. and assuming that the club / support base relationship is at an all time low - where do we begin?

How will we react if CC starts his usual diatribes via the T & A - turn up in thousands? Or think sod you mate?

I think we need a new figure head and one that engages with the support base real quick - but cannot see that happening.

Anyone else feeling the same?

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:34 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

If only.

If I had to write a fictional future history of how this might all pan out, I'd maybe pen something like the following, since it could never really work out this way, could it?

We are now late next week, hours from the payroll having to be submitted, with seemingly no realistic expressions of interest. Everyone has been whipped up to a frantic state and become increasingly desperate as the deadline has come ever closer is upon them. The hero rides in as the "rescuer" of last resort, saying that since no-one else seems prepared to save the club he feels it is his responsibility to. What a selfless public-spirited hero, indeed!

Since the situation is by then very dire the terms are necessarily not entirely to the Bulls' advantage, of course. The Bulls go to VP, cutting BCFC's costs significantly and making their board look like heroes. The RFL surrender the lease to the council, for somewhat more than they paid for it, so the RFL board (for once) look like heroes for turning in a tidy profit. A well known guy with interests in distribution etc buys the Odsal site from the council, who make a big profit on the sale and so look heroes to the council taxpayers. He in turn creates new jobs on the site as a result, so he looks a hero to the people of Bradford.

Everyone, indeed, claims to be the hero. Its win win win all round. What a result!

And the Bulls fans and staff? Those who are retained? Well we are told we too are the winners, since we should be grateful we still have a club to support, even though with lot less to spend than previous budgets.

In my fictional account, I'd probably need to indicate whether or not this was all the plan right from the start, and whether the delay in going into administration was also planned notwithstanding further tax liabilities building up in the interim, which would then be defaulted upon. I'd probably also need to indicate whether the pledge was extremely helpful in that it reduced the amounts the new owner had to shell out, so he had no reason to have wanted to see it fail. Even if he may have been pleased that any prospective alternative funders may have been frightened off at the last minute by becoming aware of all the infighting, even though most of the pledge funds had been committed by then.

But, as I said, it would be a work of fiction and doubtless events will soon show that it never actually happened anything like that way, so it would be out of date well before I finished writing it. Wouldn't it?

Unfortunately I find your work of fiction to be just too unbelievable as it requires the reader to believe that both Bradford Council and the RFL are competent organisations with a degree of foresight and business acumen. As a work of fiction, you might get away with asking the reader to suspend disbelief and accept that of one of those organisations but not both.

It is particularly incredible for you to portray RFL in that way, just one day after their suggestion that a Supporters Trust could be formed and funded and smoothly take over the running of the Bulls within a one week timeframe.

As far as Bradford Council are concerned, your work of fiction requires the reader to accept that they have a core skill in managing and trading large holes in the ground.

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:43 pm  

M@islebugs wrote:

Why would Peter Hood, supported by the investors who were put off by his removal from the board, wait until next week. Here is an opportunity to purchase the whole club; who he believes has had its financial problems overstated and be rid of his nemesis forever. Surely the investors who were put off as you suggest CC inteneded, would leap at what are now far better terms for them and with no risk whatsoever of their man being removed at future AGMs.

There were no investors.

[Bulliac]

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:48 pm  

Errol Stock wrote:

I don't think this sequence is far off the mark - in fact it may be almost inevitable..

As to plans and engineering - I doubt we will ever know as has already been pointed out at length.

Since the start of this chapter in our history, I (and you) have learnt a lot about the mis-management of our club. I am no longer interested in dissecting it and blame - its pointless now and won't solve anything. However, like most - I am angry and disappointed by the way things have panned out.

Since the shift of power - I continue to be wound up by the deafening silence from the top - I feel like cannon fodder - only needed to pay money over the gate - sod off and don't ask questions.

And so to my point - Assuming we survive, remain in SL and play at VP.. and assuming that the club / support base relationship is at an all time low - where do we begin?

How will we react if CC starts his usual diatribes via the T & A - turn up in thousands? Or think sod you mate?

I think we need a new figure head and one that engages with the support base real quick - but cannot see that happening.

Anyone else feeling the same?

Fair points Errol but, sadly, it boils down that old adage about beggars and choosers. And that's if we're lucky. As supporters, we're just like a piece of straw blowing in the wind as far as having any effect on anything is concerned.

Actually. I suspect you know where (the majority) will be on the fateful day - trooping up to Odsal (or down to VP) as usual. Been going too long to change now - 1953 and counting and, as I've said before, my support is for the team and club not the board or chairman.

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:58 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

Unfortunately I find your work of fiction to be just too unbelievable as it requires the reader to believe that both Bradford Council and the RFL are competent organisations with a degree of foresight and business acumen. As a work of fiction, you might get away with asking the reader to suspend disbelief and accept that of one of those organisations but not both.

It is particularly incredible for you to portray RFL in that way, just one day after their suggestion that a Supporters Trust could be formed and funded and smoothly take over the running of the Bulls within a one week timeframe.

As far as Bradford Council are concerned, your work of fiction requires the reader to accept that they have a core skill in managing and trading large holes in the ground.

I fear your argument is irrefutable maybe I'd get away with it if it was instead classified under the "fantasy" section?

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:03 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

I fear your argument is irrefutable maybe I'd get away with it if it was instead classified under the "fantasy" section?

Fantasy horror perhaps

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:05 pm  

My publisher is on the case...

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:12 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

My publisher is on the case...

Don't suppose you got a £1.2m advance?

You should ask for even more as I gather sadism is a popular literary trend at present - and we the fans have certainly been subjected to some "rough" treament of late. I have still have the burn marks round my wallet - but hey I thought I was doing some good at the time

Re: Brendan Guilfoyle : Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:03 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

My publisher is on the case...

Perhaps you need a lawyer to lookk after your interests. I'm sure the Bulls know of one or though I could not guarantee his competency