[Bullseye]

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:26 am  

I think a move to VP could be accepted by most if it didn't mean cutting the squad to the bone. There are several players whose deals are up this year but if we retained the best of the home grown ones that may be bearable, but would leave us very weak up front without Manuakafoa/Hargreaves/Elima.

Losing our best young players as well as our better seasoned pros and moving to VP would ony mean us being in this situation again very soon.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:11 am  

isaac1 wrote:

We need to look at with pragmatism. Each year BCFC sell their season tickets to a deadline, then the BOd meet with the manager to discuss player budget wne costs have been taken into account. The publicity is basically, you want a squad with a chance of doing well, so show us your money. Thats how BCFC have managed to put prices up by 50% this year and still sell 8000 tickets.

if we start afresh as a newco, having been thru admin, we need to learn to cut our cloth accordingly. If that means losing some people along the way, so be it. We've bounced back before and we will again.

And would we swap the trophies between 97-05 for being more stable now? almost certainly not. Just like as a City fan, I would not swap our two years in the prem for the last 10 years as a lower end, but financially stable championship club!

the only problem with that , is our season tickets are sold in oct/nov time whereas most clubs have done there shopping in july and august when the anti tamper deadline ends. so unless they were a) sold early or b) sold with the fans made aware the money raised would be affective from the 2nd season following, if you know what i mean, the ticket sales wouldnt reflect that years budget . Another problem is the player pool, 500 professional footballers were released into the shitpool this year at the end of their contracts, if you consider the make up of rugby league and the lack of under contract signings then even if you say 5 out of contract players per club then we'd still only have 55 players to chose from of whom maybe ten to fifteen would be any good

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:12 am  

I said it looked like the sensible option financially, not one that would enable us win the league!

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:36 am  

isaac1 wrote:

I said it looked like the sensible option financially, not one that would enable us win the league!

yeah i agree, it is good financial sense and i wasnt knocking the idea , i was just trying to say that the mechanics of rugby league would make it an hard to implement strategy

[Bulliac]

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:37 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

Unless the Board were to publish some extremely pursuasive and believable figures, I dont think the less hard core fans would accept that there is no choice.

Not really sure what 'persuasive and believable' figures have to do with it to be honest. Especially when you're talking about the great majority.

For sure, no-one likes to think they've been shat on, but everyone, irrespective of their POV on how we got here or who was to blame, must have worked out that we're currently miles from where we want to be and no-one in the engine room seems to be able to locate a paddle? What's more I'd guess it would be the less hard core, who maybe haven't followed all the ups and downs as assiduously as some others, who would probably be more accepting. They (we) will moan. You can bet your bloody life on that, but ultimately, all most people want is a club to support. Answers to questions would be very nice, but for Mr. Average it isn't at the core, imo.

Personally, I have absolutely no wish to go to VP, but if it was the only way to allow the club to move on then I'll accept it, very reluctantly, but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. And, when it comes down to it, it doesn't really matter a jot who tells me it is necessary, Caisley, Coulby, Hood or Uncle Tom Cobley, cos I've no way of knowing one way or the other whether it's true or if they're lying through their teeth. That though has been the situation since 1863 when you think about it.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:40 pm  

I'd feel more at ease if it was Uncle Tom Cobley at the helm, truth be told...

[Bulliac]

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:41 pm  

Adeybull wrote:

I'd feel more at ease if it was Uncle Tom Cobley at the helm, truth be told...

Now you mention it.........

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:05 pm  

Bulliac wrote:

For sure, no-one likes to think they've been shat on, but everyone, irrespective of their POV on how we got here or who was to blame, must have worked out that we're currently miles from where we want to be and no-one in the engine room seems to be able to locate a paddle?

Personally, I have absolutely no wish to go to VP, but if it was the only way to allow the club to move on then I'll accept it, very reluctantly, but the alternative doesn't bear thinking about. And, when it comes down to it, it doesn't really matter a jot who tells me it is necessary, Caisley, Coulby, Hood or Uncle Tom Cobley, cos I've no way of knowing one way or the other whether it's true or if they're lying through their teeth. That though has been the situation since 1863 when you think about it.

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:04 am  

So why would a move to vp be better financiall?

Would the rent of the stadium at vp be cheaper than at odsal?

Are we we still lumbered with the up keep of odsal?

Dose the pitch size at vp matter?

Would the RFL allow this to happen (bearing in mind they have helped us out quite a bit over the years) ?

Would bar income and such like be greatly reduced if we moved to vp?

Re: HEARD A LITTLE RUMOUR......... : Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:13 am  

steamingbull02 wrote:

So why would a move to vp be better financiall?

Would the rent of the stadium at vp be cheaper than at odsal?

Are we we still lumbered with the up keep of odsal?Dose the pitch size at vp matter?

Would the RFL allow this to happen (bearing in mind they have helped us out quite a bit over the years) ?

Would bar income and such like be greatly reduced if we moved to vp?

Would imagine thats the key point and its unclear to say the least. Has been reported both ways since lease sale i.e RFL pays maintenance costs and we pay commercial rent (which is a decent deal for us) OR We pay maintenance costs and pay a commercial rent ( which makes us worse off than under the old lease). One version I've heard is that we are responsible for the maintenance in terms of arranging it and the RFL actually pay the bill, which could explain some of the confusion around the matter.

Would imagine commercial rent for VP and Odsal are broadly similar tbh.