Re: Challenge Cup : Sat May 13, 2017 3:56 pm  

Upanunder wrote:

Saints have the players, they just don't have the game.
Generally they have a decent squad, whether the new coach can turn this lot round, I dunno.

Fans seem to be saying they're all tainted with the same brush and only a wholesale clear out will sweep the floor clean, but as a neutral the team appears littered with excellent players, they're just not at the races game time.

Your serious? You think we have the players and decent squad?

The squad is dire. It's been built on negative rugby. 5 drives and a kick is our only game plan until we get 1m off the line are try to barge over.

From this crop of crap we have in the squad we have only percy and Walmsley that are outstanding players. We have few decent players like fages, Roby amor and taia but the rest are rubbish.

Re: Challenge Cup : Sat May 13, 2017 4:04 pm  

Upanunder wrote:

Saints have the players, they just don't have the game.
Generally they have a decent squad, whether the new coach can turn this lot round, I dunno.

Fans seem to be saying they're all tainted with the same brush and only a wholesale clear out will sweep the floor clean, but as a neutral the team appears littered with excellent players, they're just not at the races game time.

Whom do you consider excellent? No decent fullback, halves or hooker. No spine, no team.

Re: Challenge Cup : Sat May 13, 2017 4:14 pm  

St pete wrote:

Your serious? You think we have the players and decent squad?

The squad is dire. It's been built on negative rugby. 5 drives and a kick is our only game plan until we get 1m off the line are try to barge over.

From this crop of crap we have in the squad we have only percy and Walmsley that are outstanding players. We have few decent players like fages, Roby amor and taia but the rest are rubbish.

Walmsley and Percival are good players not outstanding players.

They are not good enough to start for England. FACT!
At best they are fringe England ham and eggers, as they used to be known.

Lots of Gym bunnies that are billy big biceps and have no rugby brain or pace.

Re: Challenge Cup : Sat May 13, 2017 4:36 pm  

St pete wrote:

From this crop of crap we have in the squad we have only percy and Walmsley that are outstanding players. We have few decent players like fages, Roby amor and taia but the rest are rubbish.

A fair summary, and i don't you are over reacting.

Looks like the whole set up needs a re boot. The new coach would be best getting rid of the old boys brigade on the coaching team and Wilkin needs putting out to pasture just for a start.

Re: Challenge Cup : Sat May 13, 2017 5:22 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

A fair summary, and i don't you are over reacting.

Looks like the whole set up needs a re boot. The new coach would be best getting rid of the old boys brigade on the coaching team and Wilkin needs putting out to pasture just for a start.

I think the old boys brigade is where to start If we have a clear out and starting with the likes of louisi, long, traynor and Gardner .

Player wise we are being let down by so called leadership players. I'm sick of the fakes like LMS and Wilkin pretending they care.

Re: Challenge Cup : Sat May 13, 2017 5:51 pm  

St pete wrote:

I think the old boys brigade is where to start If we have a clear out and starting with the likes of louisi, long, traynor and Gardner .

Player wise we are being let down by so called leadership players. I'm sick of the fakes like LMS and Wilkin pretending they care.

I,m hoping Holbrook takes the captaincy of Wilkin straight away, although Matty Smith is playing rubbish stuff I would give it to him in the hope it might kickstart his season.

Re: Challenge Cup : Sat May 13, 2017 6:01 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

I,m hoping Holbrook takes the captaincy of Wilkin straight away, although Matty Smith is playing rubbish stuff I would give it to him in the hope it might kickstart his season.

That's a novel reason for awarding a player the captaincy.

Re: Challenge Cup : Mon May 15, 2017 12:22 pm  

The problem with saints fans is how spoilt you've been over the years. So used to watching some of the best players in SL you've become blinkered and had this arrogant mindset of "We're saints, we can always turn it around and snatch a win because that's what we do and that's what we're used too"

Well welcome to the real world.

Re: Challenge Cup : Mon May 15, 2017 12:28 pm  

moving on... wrote:

The problem with saints fans is how spoilt you've been over the years. So used to watching some of the best players in SL you've become blinkered and had this arrogant mindset of "We're saints, we can always turn it around and snatch a win because that's what we do and that's what we're used too"

Well welcome to the real world.

I've always lived in the real world, I'm an Evertonian.

Re: Challenge Cup : Wed May 17, 2017 10:45 am  

Wilkin and Sculthorpe were talking the other day about standards, how when they first came to Saints they sar the quality of players we had in the golden years and how they had to raise themselves to get to the high standards set to get into the team. We don't have that at the mo, it will take Holbrook a while to sort out the deadwood and the sick, lame and lazy, and nurture the good players (Big Al, Percy etc) and bring through the youth/academy but he needs to make it clear from the start the high standards needed to be part of this club going forward. Please check out my St Helens Fan channel below on You tube , Cheers all https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI_5SF ... 86Efh9zCpQ

Wilkin and Sculthorpe were talking the other day about standards, how when they first came to Saints they sar the quality of players we had in the golden years and how they had to raise themselves to get to the high standards set to get into the team. We don't have that at the mo, it will take Holbrook a while to sort out the deadwood and the sick, lame and lazy, and nurture the good players (Big Al, Percy etc) and bring through the youth/academy but he needs to make it clear from the start the high standards needed to be part of this club going forward. Please check out my St Helens Fan channel below on You tube , Cheers all https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI_5SF ... 86Efh9zCpQ