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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:22 am  
To be replaced by Luke Briscoe, more savings to pay for the empty stands in 2019.
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:34 am  
Gotcha - Oates wants to play back row but everyone else wants him to stay on the wing. Over a distance I'd say Oates is probably quicker than Hall nowadays - he's no slouch at all once he gets moving. I think Hall should go well in the NRL though because they'll value what he brings and use it - strong start to sets and ability to finish in the corner.

Sadly we very rarely see wingers run great distances to score any more because fullbacks and cover defences are just too quick and well trained to get back. Holmes' Origin try was an intercept as was Trbojevic's. I haven't seen the stats but I'd be surprised if the vast majority of wingers tries in the NRL aren't scored from 10m or less.
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:22 am  
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Gotcha - Oates wants to play back row but everyone else wants him to stay on the wing. Over a distance I'd say Oates is probably quicker than Hall nowadays - he's no slouch at all once he gets moving. I think Hall should go well in the NRL though because they'll value what he brings and use it - strong start to sets and ability to finish in the corner.

Sadly we very rarely see wingers run great distances to score any more because fullbacks and cover defences are just too quick and well trained to get back. Holmes' Origin try was an intercept as was Trbojevic's. I haven't seen the stats but I'd be surprised if the vast majority of wingers tries in the NRL aren't scored from 10m or less.



But he won't really get as much chance with that strong start to sets asset. The last tackle option in most of the NRL sides is far superior to what we contend with in Super League. If they are closer to him, he is too slow to build up steam to make an impact on the metres. More worrying is his ability under high kicks in defence.

We will see, but I just think he won't be able to do it in that comp, not on the wing. Burgess was much more suited, and he ended up back quickly. Can you image Hall up against the likes of Josh Addo Carr, James Roberts, Gela Mosby, he would be burned away.
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:39 am  
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But he won't really get as much chance with that strong start to sets asset. The last tackle option in most of the NRL sides is far superior to what we contend with in Super League. If they are closer to him, he is too slow to build up steam to make an impact on the metres. More worrying is his ability under high kicks in defence.

We will see, but I just think he won't be able to do it in that comp, not on the wing. Burgess was much more suited, and he ended up back quickly. Can you image Hall up against the likes of Josh Addo Carr, James Roberts, Gela Mosby, he would be burned away.


I'm struggling to understand why you don't think he'll hold his own in the NRL. Like others have said, he's shown on the international stage that he isn't out of his depth against the Aussies and Kiwis. And he's hardly going to be sitting out training and not working on his game. If they think he has a weakness under the high ball, I personally think he's pretty good, he's in the best place to get that training.
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:47 am  
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I'm struggling to understand why you don't think he'll hold his own in the NRL. Like others have said, he's shown on the international stage that he isn't out of his depth against the Aussies and Kiwis. And he's hardly going to be sitting out training and not working on his game. If they think he has a weakness under the high ball, I personally think he's pretty good, he's in the best place to get that training.


I suppose the starting position would be to answer your post is that I am looking at Ryan Hall in the present. You, by your post, and I assume others, are looking at Ryal Hall of previous years. And again I did say It was my opinion. But I will be surprised if he plays out a full season in the NRL, on the Wing.
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:11 am  
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I suppose the starting position would be to answer your post is that I am looking at Ryan Hall in the present. You, by your post, and I assume others, are looking at Ryal Hall of previous years. And again I did say It was my opinion. But I will be surprised if he plays out a full season in the NRL, on the Wing.



The Ryan Hall who was exceptional in the recent world cup and the recent test?

I Know its the done thing on here to deride any player who plays for us but Ryan Hall has been a world class winger for the majority of his career and he still is, he will go well in the NRL.
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:35 am  
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The Ryan Hall who was exceptional in the recent world cup and the recent test?

I Know its the done thing on here to deride any player who plays for us but Ryan Hall has been a world class winger for the majority of his career and he still is, he will go well in the NRL.


I haven't in any way derided him, so unsure where you read that from. I have been specific on why I think it will not work for him in the NRL.
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:54 am  
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I haven't in any way derided him, so unsure where you read that from. I have been specific on why I think it will not work for him in the NRL.



My derision point was more a general view of the forum.


But anyway we don't even know if he is going there yet, didn't someone mention he got a big offer from a RU side? he could be weighing up his options that's why he hasn't announced anything as yet?
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:55 am  
I did say earlier in the month Ryan was leaving, but was shot down by someone!. Also that Luke B was his replacement. I wish I had been to the bookies now
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Re: OUT 2018 | Ryan Hall - Unattached : Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:17 am  
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Gotcha - Oates wants to play back row but everyone else wants him to stay on the wing. Over a distance I'd say Oates is probably quicker than Hall nowadays - he's no slouch at all once he gets moving. I think Hall should go well in the NRL though because they'll value what he brings and use it - strong start to sets and ability to finish in the corner.

Sadly we very rarely see wingers run great distances to score any more because fullbacks and cover defences are just too quick and well trained to get back. Holmes' Origin try was an intercept as was Trbojevic's. I haven't seen the stats but I'd be surprised if the vast majority of wingers tries in the NRL aren't scored from 10m or less.



But he won't really get as much chance with that strong start to sets asset. The last tackle option in most of the NRL sides is far superior to what we contend with in Super League. If they are closer to him, he is too slow to build up steam to make an impact on the metres. More worrying is his ability under high kicks in defence.

We will see, but I just think he won't be able to do it in that comp, not on the wing. Burgess was much more suited, and he ended up back quickly. Can you image Hall up against the likes of Josh Addo Carr, James Roberts, Gela Mosby, he would be burned away.


What absolute bobbins....

If anything, he'd get more of a run up in the NRL as the defences are better during the sets, meaning there are more clearing kicks as the attacking team do not progress as far up field. And in all honesty, Hall doesn't make his most valuable meters directly from the kick return, he makes them on tackle 2 or 3 when he's taking a hit up.

Yes there are some speedster who'd do him for pace, but as long as he doesn't offer them the outside, it won't be problem. And if he does get burned every now and then by an out and out speedster, that's only the same as every other winger who'll come up against them.

He's still one of the world's best wingers, and the strengths in his game are not really impacted by his age or current physical abilities - perceived lack of speed isn't an issue now, hasn't been an issue at international level and I dare so won't be an issue in the NRL.
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