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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:10 am
Posted by Juan Cornetto on Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:10 am
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Once you get into the "anything goes" mindset/culture that cannot be easily changing. Evolution of culture is very high end change management and takes time. This will not change until next season when the ring leaders are gone and all the players have time to mentally exit where they are and mentally move into a different environment - probably pre-season.

Leeds looked OK earlier in the year before teams started to get their act together e.g Huddersfield. The performances haven't got worse they have just plateaued and other teams have improved. The current standard is the best this team can produce and without a significant change of personnel this will continue.

The arrogance of some players is there for all to see - losing games doesn't matter. Whatever you say about Sinfield he was a winner and knew when it was required to dig deep. Sadly this current crop of players don't have that within them - many were carried along on the back of the likes of Sinfield/Peacock/McGuire/Burrow players who knew what it took to face adversity and overcome it.


So what you are saying is that the root problem was not the coach but the players, or more specifically the lack of adequate replacements of former star players. On this we can agree.

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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:23 am
Posted by batleyrhino on Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:23 am
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Saying the fault lies in just one place or the other is a bit simplistic. You don't go from the heights we have experienced to where we are now by one thing only going wrong.

The team has been (criminally) under funded for years, and the players have been allowed to let standards drop below what should reasonably be expected of them. There is more than one "culprit" here.
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:26 am
Posted by batleyrhino on Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:26 am
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Juan Cornetto wrote:
What makes you think Sinny has the financial or management expertise to be a CEO. Being a former great rugby player and captain does not mean you would be a success at running a sweetie shop let alone being in charge of multi million pound business with huge property assets. Yes he could be a PR man but as a CEO in name only would need other professionals to run the business in the same way he will need a professional coach to run the team.


I don't think he has all the knowledge and experience at the moment, and like anyone moving into a new position he will need to acquire it. What I do believe is that Kevin is intelligent enough, and has shown enough Leadership characteristics, to be afforded the time to develop the skills and knowledge that is required by a CEO. He also has an expert (who's taken his eye off the ball in the last couple of years granted) to teach him over the next year or two.

I actually typed out a much longer and more precise response but my bl00dy connection was lost and so was the post... :FRUSRATED:
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:06 am
Posted by RHINO-MARK on Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:06 am
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Juan Cornetto wrote:
So what you are saying is that the root problem was not the coach but the players, or more specifically the lack of adequate replacements of former star players. On this we can agree.

The fault lies with GH and the moths in his wallet.

Still unable to accept his hero carrys any blame or accountability whatsoever.
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:47 am
Posted by Gotcha on Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:47 am
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Still unable to accept his hero carrys any blame or accountability whatsoever.


People still seriously miss the biggest issue of McDermotts reign in its entirety. He could not develop youngsters. He did not have the faith in them. And its his actions in this regard that left us with the necessity to recruit outside better, which we failed in.
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:45 am
Posted by Sal Paradise on Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:45 am
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Juan Cornetto wrote:
So what you are saying is that the root problem was not the coach but the players, or more specifically the lack of adequate replacements of former star players. On this we can agree.

The fault lies with GH and the moths in his wallet.


Not at all - read what I say.

The issues around the arrogance of the players and the sloppy culture lies firmly at McDermott. The lack of quality coming through the academy also lies with him.

The lack of investment in the team we don't know who is at fault - could be GH offered to increase the quality of the squad and McDermott thought the squad was good enough to compete.

So are you saying the coach is irrelevant - as long as you have a strong squad they don't really add any value?
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:46 am
Posted by Clearwing on Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:46 am
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Gotcha wrote:
People still seriously miss the biggest issue of McDermotts reign in its entirety. He could not develop youngsters. He did not have the faith in them. And its his actions in this regard that left us with the necessity to recruit outside better, which we failed in.


That, for me, is a very accurate appraisal. The flip side is that he also managed to squeeze far more than might reasonably have been expected from the players he stuck with during latter years of his tenure. Let's face it, had he not done so he'd have gone long ago.
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:50 pm
Posted by tigertot on Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:50 pm
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Sal Paradise wrote:
The current standard is the best this team can produce and without a significant change of personnel this will continue.


I disagree. A team can almost always produce better. Look at Saints under Cunningham/Holbrook.
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:48 pm
Posted by Gotcha on Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:48 pm
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I disagree. A team can almost always produce better. Look at Saints under Cunningham/Holbrook.


But Saints already had the basic fundamentals to work with, whilst we don’t, they then added Barba to the mix.
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Re: The next Rhinos coach should be
Post Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:24 pm
Posted by Juan Cornetto on Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:24 pm
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batleyrhino wrote:
Saying the fault lies in just one place or the other is a bit simplistic. You don't go from the heights we have experienced to where we are now by one thing only going wrong.

The team has been (criminally) under funded for years, and the players have been allowed to let standards drop below what should reasonably be expected of them. There is more than one "culprit" here.


But it was others who had alleged that the problem was all the fault of coach BMcD and he had 'lost the dressing room'. Had this been the main reason then there would have been some immediate improvement after he was sacked. Resulting performances if anything have worsened so changing the coach mid season has shown that the main problems are with the players and the lack of recruitment which I argue is down to Hetherington and not BMcD.

Most seem to have forgotten too that for all of BM's time this year we have been unable to select a full strength squad with half the first team unavailable most weeks. Since BMcD has left we have had some of the long term injured back plus 2 short term signings yet still no improvement.

The likes of Sinfield, Maguire, Burrow, Galloway all needed replacements of similar quality. Myler has been a good signing but where are the other three. The squad was well under strength for Mac and is little better for Sinfield.
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