Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:48 am  

tad rhino wrote:

let's just play an 8 team league then because half the crowds in SL are as much a joke. play each other 4 times and stuff the rest

Or why not have a strong 14 team full time competition with a feeder club for each of the full time teams that all work together to provide the best elite competition we can. Try and grow the revenues/standards/interest in the sport. The sport would be better off giving the monies to the likes of Oulton/Siddal/St Pats etc because they do far more for the future of the game than the likes of Batley/Featherstone/Hunslet.

Alternatively we can have you idea and spread the money out evenly so Hunslet get as much as Leeds - all go back to being part time and regress to the 1980's when the sport really was humming (sic).

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:52 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Or why not have a strong 14 team full time competition with a feeder club for each of the full time teams that all work together to provide the best elite competition we can. Try and grow the revenues/standards/interest in the sport. The sport would be better off giving the monies to the likes of Oulton/Siddal/St Pats etc because they do far more for the future of the game than the likes of Batley/Featherstone/Hunslet.

Alternatively we can have you idea and spread the money out evenly so Hunslet get as much as Leeds - all go back to being part time and regress to the 1980's when the sport really was humming (sic).

What a load of sh#*# Salford & Huddersfield hardly attract any fans Fev & Leigh are much better supported.
Also The Championship share isn't on a par with SL Clubs either.
If you want a bigger pot cut SL to 10 Teams.

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:05 am  

Widnes Huddersfield and Salford offer far less than a few championship clubs

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:52 am  

tad rhino wrote:

Widnes Huddersfield and Salford offer far less than a few championship clubs

Correct ,especially Huddersfield, which largely exists due to a kindly benefactor.

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:23 am  

listening to last night's rl podcast and if Dewsburys chairman is correct the greedy sl chairman are a dishonest bunch of thieves.

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:18 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

Widnes Huddersfield and Salford offer far less than a few championship clubs

I think the SL need to agree who is in and who is out and make it strategic - have a 10 year franchise that sets out what is expected. That doesn't mean it has to be the existing 12 - for me London needs to be in it, Toulouse too, not sure about Toronto. I cannot see what the likes of Featherstone, Batley, Dewsbury, Hunslet would ever add to an elite competition. Could see Bradford adding value if managed correctly

My 14 would be:
Leeds
Wigan
Saints
Warrington
Castleford
Catalans
Toulouse
London
Bradford
Hull
Hull KR
Leigh
Widnes
A team in Cumbria - possibly Barrow based in Barrow.

You get a good geographical spread but have local derbies - all must have reserve grade e.g. feeder club and proper youth development and facilities that are appropriate for an elite sport. Monies distributed accordingley

You could play home/away once, top 6 play off and GF

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:32 pm  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

What a load of sh#*# Salford & Huddersfield hardly attract any fans Fev & Leigh are much better supported.
Also The Championship share isn't on a par with SL Clubs either.

Think the Championship clubs get 8% of the TV money, League 1 clubs 1%. If clawing that money away from them is the best solution the SL clubs can come up with, they're f***ed anyway. In fact you could make the argument that the biggest drain on then game are the bigger clubs who sold their grounds to pay off debts and who then moved in as tenants of the local football clubs leaving them very limited ways of making money on non-match days. Yes, you can take the odd game to Australia, issue another limited edition kit etc but ATEOTD clubs like Huddersfield, Hull, Wigan should be bringing far more to the table than the feeble idea of snatching handfuls of loose change off the lower tier clubs.

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:45 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

Think the Championship clubs get 8% of the TV money, League 1 clubs 1%. If clawing that money away from them is the best solution the SL clubs can come up with, they're f***ed anyway. In fact you could make the argument that the biggest drain on then game are the bigger clubs who sold their grounds to pay off debts and who then moved in as tenants of the local football clubs leaving them very limited ways of making money on non-match days. Yes, you can take the odd game to Australia, issue another limited edition kit etc but ATEOTD clubs like Huddersfield, Hull, Wigan should be bringing far more to the table than the feeble idea of snatching handfuls of loose change off the lower tier clubs.

I would suggest teams like Wigan and Hull do add a lot to the competition - as Leeds have found out upgrading a new ground needs both the space/opportunity and the finance.

Central Park/Boulevard both had limited development opportunities same goes for Wakefield/Castleford/Widnes all legacy grounds of the "good old days" that every one seems to remember so fondly.

Would the money given to the Championship clubs be better invested in a serious marketing campaign for the Elite competition would it be better invested in trying to get a better headline sponsor?

Something needs to be done - the game is dying I cannot see how maintaining the current status quo is going to improve the state of the game - but I am interested in understanding how others think it will.

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:22 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I think the SL need to agree who is in and who is out and make it strategic - have a 10 year franchise that sets out what is expected. That doesn't mean it has to be the existing 12 - for me London needs to be in it, Toulouse too, not sure about Toronto. I cannot see what the likes of Featherstone, Batley, Dewsbury, Hunslet would ever add to an elite competition. Could see Bradford adding value if managed correctly

My 14 would be:
Leeds
Wigan
Saints
Warrington
Castleford
Catalans
Toulouse
London
Bradford
Hull
Hull KR
Leigh
Widnes
A team in Cumbria - possibly Barrow based in Barrow.

You get a good geographical spread but have local derbies - all must have reserve grade e.g. feeder club and proper youth development and facilities that are appropriate for an elite sport. Monies distributed accordingley

You could play home/away once, top 6 play off and GF

i agree with your principles, and i am pro franchising, but i am sure the likes of Fev Halifax would say they are better and stronger clubs than leigh and widnes and possible Hull kr, there is also no way they would kick Huddersfield out, and lets face it if Cas had not been good on the field for last 3-4 years they would be for the chop too, after all been relegated twice since 2014.

Re: Lacklustre performance is impacting fans : Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:23 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

listening to last night's rl podcast and if Dewsburys chairman is correct the greedy sl chairman are a dishonest bunch of thieves.

any more info, what was said