Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:55 am  

Dont think suttcliffes failed at Centre, he played well there through the end of last season, when he got a few consecutive games there, then he got the 4 shirt and barley played there this season through injury to himself ahd covering for others. I like him at Centre but think we need him more in the second row going forward.

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:22 am  

tad rhino wrote:

big decisions though as with the likes of ablett and jjb in we can't play like that. they haven't the legs anymore

Exactly, why is others not seeing this. We played like that because of players missing. It is not a case of bodies back and we improve. That was our top level last night. Just missed the game management side only.

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:42 am  

Stats from the game. The stats confirmed what most have said already. Parcel, Garbutt, Hall, Curhbertson-immense. Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. Sutcliffe with only 9 carries, that seems shocking for a player playing 80 minutes in the halves. http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857

Stats from the game. The stats confirmed what most have said already. Parcel, Garbutt, Hall, Curhbertson-immense. Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. Sutcliffe with only 9 carries, that seems shocking for a player playing 80 minutes in the halves. http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 9:44 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

You lost because you had no real last tackle plays or threats in the opposition 20. I reckon had myler played you'd have won. saints are going well but look vulnerable when teams front up to them as leeds did last night and Hull did in the cup

They've been lucky this season with injuries which seems to be the major dictating factor in who does well in SL these days.

I think we (Saints) have looked “vulnerable” in the two games because we have come up against teams who have for one reason or another played us in a gear higher than they have all year. Saints only really found that gear in the semi last year vs Cas, but teams weren’t really gunning for us in the same way.

Leeds (and Hull) played with a clear backs to the wall game plan with extra nothing to lose mentality (or everything to lose in Hulls case) and looked good for the freedom it brought. Throw in a lot more of the injured players and you start to lose some of that. Not saying more players back wouldn’t be better but I don’t think it’s as cut and dry (see Cas vs Warrington).

One thing we are missing is Walmsley as we just couldn’t match Leeds’ size last night.

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:08 am  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Sutcliffe with only 9 carries, that seems shocking for a player playing 80 minutes in the halves.

moaning about a back-up half back not making more hit ups?
gotta love our fans

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:15 am  

Gotcha wrote: Exactly, why is others not seeing this. We played like that because of players missing. It is not a case of bodies back and we improve. That was our top level last night. Just missed the game management side only. Charlie Sheen wrote: Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857 to say that we wouldnt improve with say Watkins, Ward and Myler in the team rather than Holdroyd, Newman and Handley is a bit odd

Gotcha wrote: Exactly, why is others not seeing this. We played like that because of players missing. It is not a case of bodies back and we improve. That was our top level last night. Just missed the game management side only. Charlie Sheen wrote: Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857 to say that we wouldnt improve with say Watkins, Ward and Myler in the team rather than Holdroyd, Newman and Handley is a bit odd

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:32 am  

Neruda wrote:

to say that we wouldnt improve with say Watkins, Ward and Myler in the team rather than Holdroyd, Newman and Handley is a bit odd

No. What is odd is to say we would play like that, and improve with a Delaney, JJB, Keinhorst, Lilley, Singleton, Goulding, and Ablett in there.

If you look at my posts I have already said exactly the same as you on Watkins, Ward, and Myler, with out the sillyness you have in assuming Watkins would fill both centre spots. But people are more referring to the first group of missing, players whom are slower.

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:48 am  

Charlie Sheen wrote: Stats from the game. The stats confirmed what most have said already. Parcel, Garbutt, Hall, Curhbertson-immense. Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. Sutcliffe with only 9 carries, that seems shocking for a player playing 80 minutes in the halves. http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857 I think that's a bit harsh on Sutcliffe, having only just come back from injury, and being moved back to a position he's never looked comfortable in. Maybe he was told to pass to Moon and others rather than go himself? Still not sure what his best position is but I'd rather have him in the back-row than Walters at the moment, who was flapping in the first half. I also thought Mullally went well, winning a penalty at the PTB and going close to getting a try at close range. I'm happy for him to be a regular part of our rotation.

Charlie Sheen wrote: Stats from the game. The stats confirmed what most have said already. Parcel, Garbutt, Hall, Curhbertson-immense. Our young guys have a lot of work to do on their defence. Sutcliffe with only 9 carries, that seems shocking for a player playing 80 minutes in the halves. http://www.rugby-league.com/superleague ... port/73857 I think that's a bit harsh on Sutcliffe, having only just come back from injury, and being moved back to a position he's never looked comfortable in. Maybe he was told to pass to Moon and others rather than go himself? Still not sure what his best position is but I'd rather have him in the back-row than Walters at the moment, who was flapping in the first half. I also thought Mullally went well, winning a penalty at the PTB and going close to getting a try at close range. I'm happy for him to be a regular part of our rotation.

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:49 am  

Gotcha wrote:

No. What is odd is to say we would improve with a Delaney, JJB, Keinhorst, Lilley, Singleton, Goulding, and Ablett in there.

If you look at my posts I have already said exactly the same as you on Watkins, Ward, and Myler, with out the sillyness you have in assuming Watkins would fill both centre spots. But people are more referring to the first group of missing, players whom are slower.

Or I'm saying Watkins to one centre spot and Sutcliffe back to his centre spot with Myler at half

I dont think its odd to say Singleton, JJB or Ablett would improve the team over Ormondroyd and Walters, given that we have seen time and time again what they can do in big games and playoffs.
Just because you dont rate Keinhorst doesnt mean he wouldnt have been an improvement over Newman yesterday who was getting suck in on defence and missed 8 tackles

Re: RD 18 | Leeds Rhinos v St Helens : Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:54 am  

Exeter Rhino wrote:

I think that's a bit harsh on Sutcliffe, having only just come back from injury, and being moved back to a position he's never looked comfortable in. Maybe he was told to pass to Moon and others rather than go himself? Still not sure what his best position is but I'd rather have him in the back-row than Walters at the moment, who was flapping in the first half.

I also thought Mullally went well, winning a penalty at the PTB and going close to getting a try at close range. I'm happy for him to be a regular part of our rotation.

Exactly right on Sutcliffe, being passed from pillar to post at the minute due to injuries so not his fault imo.
I dont think its coincidence that we looked most dangerous with Cuthbo at 13 alongside two other props - McDermott clearly wants this i think but injuries have prevented it from happening too many times this season