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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 8:59 am  
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I think and hope McDermott has a bit more pride than that.

I dont think "pride" comes into it tbh imo he needs "pushing" because i dont ever see a scenario where he walks on his own accord.
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 10:06 am  
McDermott has been a winning coach at Leeds I cannot say I have enjoyed his style of play - there have been some fantastic games/wins but on the whole the style of play is boring/turgid.

He has been unfortunate with injuries this season but I think everything has a time span - so either a host of players go or the coach goes.
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 1:09 pm  
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McDermott has been a winning coach at Leeds I cannot say I have enjoyed his style of play - there have been some fantastic games/wins but on the whole the style of play is boring/turgid.

He has been unfortunate with injuries this season but I think everything has a time span - so either a host of players go or the coach goes.


I'd probably go with getting rid of a fair few players. We have won plenty under Mac, but as with 2016 We've lost some quality golden generation players, had a bad run of injuries and lost a lot of games, and as in 2016 some are calling for the coaches head :roll: I'm not saying Mac is with out fault but he can only put out what's available to him. I hope we see Leeds having the confidenced to give some of the youngsters a good go. I can't see us doing much this year but if the precipitates a clear out of the under performers and the emergence of some quality home grown tallent, I'll be happy. But I don't expect us to win every year........... Just most years :wink:
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 1:16 pm  
going to shock a few but I'm defending the coach on this one. the only think I can criticise him for is his pig headedness with persisting with moon at 6. can't pass, no kicking game no influence.
he can only use what he has and the person who has let ALL our second rowers get old and way past it at once deserves his share of stick too.i love JJB but he's so far off the pace it's embarrassing.
if, and I say if, it's time for a change do it now with so many players off contract so a new coach can get in who he wants.
we, and me , have been proved wrong before. I'd give it a bit longer yet.
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 4:08 pm  
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 4:09 pm  
I wonder if some of them have been told they are not being retained hence the not bothered display yesterday
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 4:27 pm  
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I wonder if some of them have been told they are not being retained hence the not bothered display yesterday

No idea tbh but they look unfit unorganised & devoid of anything.
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 5:10 pm  
Tad makes some fair points but we should remember that Moon has done better than any of the others tried at 6 and we should not forget he was voted runner up in the player of the season by the fans. He is not a game manager but is an effective runner and his up and under kicking has led to quite a number of tries.

However I think we have lacked a game manager and on field leadership since Sinfield left the team and we should have signed a quality 6 when it was obvious Sutcliffe was not up to the job.

We currently have key players that are out of form like Moon, Ferres and Cuthbertson (who although he made a lot of tackles against Cas he did not make one offload against Warrington) and Parcel has been below his usual excellent form not helped last night by picking up an early injury).

Last night was an awful performance by the team as a whole and was not helped by Myler being fouled out of the game and early injuries to Parcel and Walker who looked weak on defence perhaps due to his injury. Watkins's injury did not affect the result but he was not at the races up until then in any case. I do hope his injury is not serious as last night apart he had been having a good season.

The long term injuries to our forwards, in particular the front row, has dulled the edge of those that have had to cover the middle defense which showed up last night. You can get by for a few games without your big men in the middle but not for half a season. We have lacked the bulk and strength of Garbutt and Galloway all season (the latter should have been replaced) and Peteru has missed most of the season. Cuthbertson and Mullally have missed a 5 or 6 each, Sutcliffe had been injured for 10 games, Ferres has missed 7, Ward 4. Add to that the injuries to Dwyer and Keinhorst and now we have to do without Singleton, Watkins, Peteru, Parcell and Walker who has already missed 7 and you have serious problems.

These are not just excuses as these injuries greatly reduce the chances of a wining matches as even with decent reserves the lack of a settled team has a negative effect with constant changes. In our case our fit reserves are inexperienced youngsters who cannot be expected to do long minutes without a rest.

To start against Cas with 19 year old Oledski (who I thought was our best player) and Peteru who got injured again with only Cuthbertson on the bench as a prop and you start with a major disadvantage.

We will have to recall Keinhorst for the Cup match and with the top 4 now a slim chance perhaps we should give the likes of Newman, Broadbent, and Holroyd a run.

We also are lacking in real pace and do not make enough clean breaks and our kicking game is not up to standard. Only Wakefield have made less attacking kicks than us and we have yet to make a 40/20.
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 6:05 pm  
That WCC is nice to win , but it always seems to affect the British team that competes in it .I was really apprehensive this year especially flying over there and lo and behold we picked up injuries to boot
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Re: RD 15 | Leeds Rhinos v Castleford Tigers : Sun May 20, 2018 6:52 pm  
JC Ferres hasn't been a key player for us since he arrived so putting him being woeful down to "being out of form" is wide of the mark.
With Moon irrespective of his past Seasons this year he hasn't performed at all.
Galloway has been "gone" over a year completely irrellevant to keep mentioning him.
Mullally has had plenty of time to cement a spot & has failed to take it & just like Ferres another pointless signing.
Other teams adapt to injuries & at the very least show some semblence of gameplan & shape.
Finally the application fitness & in some cases attitude stink.
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