Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:23 am  

christopher wrote:

Best of luck to Jimmy a player who gives his all and I would imagine he's been able to get a bigger salary and a first team spot with whoever he's signed for.

Now this probably won't be a popular opinion but I'm not that fussed if JJB, Delaney and Ablett stay on if they are on reduced salaries, we do need a overall but I think that will take a couple of seasons and I think getting rid of too many in one go could actually hamper the team, especially if we haven't got the people signed for next year, we've suffered with a weak squad this year and to get through next year I think we will need to retain at least two of these, Ablett has the most offer from those three IMO

I don't think you have learnt anything from this season, sorry.

Although I have come to accept that Ablett has signed a two year deal, and in that respect your post does have some truth there.

I don't think Delaney will be here next year, so I don't forsee the scenario you are saying. But if him and JJB were here that would be a big mistake by the club. It isn't only about players leaving, it is about opportunities for others, and in Delaney's case the bigger issue is the quota spots, what a waste.

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:56 am  

Gotcha wrote:

I don't think you have learnt anything from this season, sorry.

Although I have come to accept that Ablett has signed a two year deal, and in that respect your post does have some truth there.

I don't think Delaney will be here next year, so I don't forsee the scenario you are saying. But if him and JJB were here that would be a big mistake by the club. It isn't only about players leaving, it is about opportunities for others, and in Delaney's case the bigger issue is the quota spots, what a waste.

I did say if we haven’t got the required players signed for next year.

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:01 am  

christopher wrote:

I did say if we haven’t got the required players signed for next year.

Even then, I do not see them offering anything above what we can get from the younger players in the squad, given the opportunity. But I do think new players will be in anyway.

Lets be honest here, we are not going to be challenging top five next year regardless, that is too early. With the signings and letting go I believe we will make, that IMO will improve us so that relegation is not an issue like this year. Lets go for that transisition year we should have been doing three years back, and actually do it properly this time, so that we are actually challenging for top five come 2020.

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:33 am  

with 1 down it gives us a great chance to blood some kids. we won't come bottom. I'd be happy with halfway providing we blood some youngsters

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:26 pm  

For me the cull needs to be deep and to happen now.
Offering new deals to the likes of Abblett Jjb Delaney etc is ridiculous imo.
Get rid now sign some better quality players add in the best of the u19's and build from there.

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:36 am  

Retaining all three could only be based on looking at them all individually and thinking they can each do some sort of job. I reckon individually you could make a reasonable case for any of them.

IMO we need to start looking at all the players not just individually but as part of a squad. We've got far too many players across the squad who can 'do a job' if surrounded by better players. The problem is that we end up with a squad packed full of inadequate players all relying on our few stars and the whole is far less than the sum of the parts.

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:01 am  

Retaining all three would be madness. We need two new second rowers for the squad next year to give a back row rotation of New Player 1, New Player 2, Ferres, Smith, Ward, Cuthbertson.

I can see a case to keep Ablett, who still has the most to offer of the 3, and who would allow Cuthbertson to play prop (if he will do the hard yards stuff too), but all 3 would be nuts.

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Wed Sep 26, 2018 6:35 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Retaining all three could only be based on looking at them all individually and thinking they can each do some sort of job. I reckon individually you could make a reasonable case for any of them.

IMO we need to start looking at all the players not just individually but as part of a squad. We've got far too many players across the squad who can 'do a job' if surrounded by better players. The problem is that we end up with a squad packed full of inadequate players all relying on our few stars and the whole is far less than the sum of the parts.

I think this says it all, and exactly where we have gone wrong since the end of 2015.

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:06 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Retaining all three could only be based on looking at them all individually and thinking they can each do some sort of job. I reckon individually you could make a reasonable case for any of them.

IMO we need to start looking at all the players not just individually but as part of a squad. We've got far too many players across the squad who can 'do a job' if surrounded by better players. The problem is that we end up with a squad packed full of inadequate players all relying on our few stars and the whole is far less than the sum of the parts.

Really I am not sure you can make a case for any of them if you have top 4 aspiration - if your aim is middle table mediocrity then yes there could be a case for retention. The club see 2019 as a year of stability with 2020 to be the comback year - I expect all 3 to be retained - sadly

Re: OUT 2019 | Jimmy Keinhorst - Hull KR : Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:21 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Really I am not sure you can make a case for any of them if you have top 4 aspiration - if your aim is middle table mediocrity then yes there could be a case for retention. The club see 2019 as a year of stability with 2020 to be the comback year - I expect all 3 to be retained - sadly

I don't, and I can tell you now if we did, there would be no comeback by 2020. Prolonging just makes the wait longer, it doesn't benefit.

I expect Ablett signed, unsure on JJB, but Delaney no.