Re: SS Hall of Fame : Tue May 15, 2018 6:25 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

There will be plenty more announced over next few years, club making an event over releasing 4 players at once, I would expect (excluding players from golden generation) the likes of Dave heron, Roy Powell, maybe Carl Gibson, Sydney Heinz, les Dyl, all to be addd at some point.

Carl Gibson would struggle to ketchup with Sydney Heinz,IMHO.

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Wed May 16, 2018 6:44 am  

I loved Powell, Heron and Gibbo but there are many, many players above them in the pecking order to make the Hall of Fame. From the 80s the only player I'd really try to make a case for is Schofield, who's now in. From the 90s only Hanley and Harris, and Hanley doesn't make it because of the 150 game cutoff. By comparison it would be easy to make a case for 10 or so from the Golden Era. If anything it shows how poor we were for 20 years, and how blessed fans are who've watched Leeds over the last 15 years are.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Wed May 16, 2018 7:38 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

I loved Powell, Heron and Gibbo but there are many, many players above them in the pecking order to make the Hall of Fame. From the 80s the only player I'd really try to make a case for is Schofield, who's now in. From the 90s only Hanley and Harris, and Hanley doesn't make it because of the 150 game cutoff. By comparison it would be easy to make a case for 10 or so from the Golden Era. If anything it shows how poor we were for 20 years, and how blessed fans are who've watched Leeds over the last 15 years are.

This is probably the most pertinent sentence.

Watching us get pumped through the late 80's through to the late 90's you wouldn't believe how much this team has turned round. From having a team that can compete, to having a team ACTUALLY making finals, to winning finals and becoming so dominant. If you had told me then what we would go on to achieve I would have you committed!

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Wed May 16, 2018 9:39 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

I loved Powell, Heron and Gibbo but there are many, many players above them in the pecking order to make the Hall of Fame. From the 80s the only player I'd really try to make a case for is Schofield, who's now in. From the 90s only Hanley and Harris, and Hanley doesn't make it because of the 150 game cutoff. By comparison it would be easy to make a case for 10 or so from the Golden Era. If anything it shows how poor we were for 20 years, and how blessed fans are who've watched Leeds over the last 15 years are.

I think all the 8 inductees so far are worthy ,but as Caplan said at present there are 126 or so illegible .So do they discuss all 126 or just pull a bunch out of a hat ? this year I think decided on 1980s -90s 1960s , 1950s and 1920s -30s .Next I wonder if we will see a player from the start of the golden era ?

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Thu May 17, 2018 2:23 am  

No reason why not, and I understand why they particularly want to include some more recent players - because they are still alive for one thing, but also because for younger fans its names they know. I suspect if you said the 4 were Eric Harris, Dinny Campbell, Frank O'Rourke and Jim Brough (or similar) for a few years a lot of people would lose interest.

OTOH just 4 a year means it will take a very long time to get close to clearing the backlog of players amongst the 130 or so, and even when you do hopefully in the meantime a whole bunch more players qualify for consideration. Maybe they should just bite the bullet and name a bunch of the older players in one hit so they can focus on more recent players.

I know here in the NRL that choices for the Hall of Fame get a lot of publicity because they announce a shortlist of players, all of whom are recent enough for fans to have their say.

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Thu May 17, 2018 10:26 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

No reason why not, and I understand why they particularly want to include some more recent players - because they are still alive for one thing, but also because for younger fans its names they know. I suspect if you said the 4 were Eric Harris, Dinny Campbell, Frank O'Rourke and Jim Brough (or similar) for a few years a lot of people would lose interest.

OTOH just 4 a year means it will take a very long time to get close to clearing the backlog of players amongst the 130 or so, and even when you do hopefully in the meantime a whole bunch more players qualify for consideration. Maybe they should just bite the bullet and name a bunch of the older players in one hit so they can focus on more recent players.

I know here in the NRL that choices for the Hall of Fame get a lot of publicity because they announce a shortlist of players, all of whom are recent enough for fans to have their say.

I think they have hinted that they may do what you said and name more than just four once the development is officially opened

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Thu May 17, 2018 3:48 pm  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

I loved Powell, Heron and Gibbo but there are many, many players above them in the pecking order to make the Hall of Fame. From the 80s the only player I'd really try to make a case for is Schofield, who's now in. From the 90s only Hanley and Harris, and Hanley doesn't make it because of the 150 game cutoff. By comparison it would be easy to make a case for 10 or so from the Golden Era. If anything it shows how poor we were for 20 years, and how blessed fans are who've watched Leeds over the last 15 years are.

Without a doubt the likes of John Atkinson Alan Smith Les Dyl and various others will be added in time.
I think people sometimes get hung up on who players when and how many medals they won. Dave heron was on of the best footballers i ever saw, and if he had played for a more successful club would have had a sack full of medals and plaudits and probably a dozen or more GB caps rather than just 2, he carried the side until Schofield arrived.
Powell and Gibson were both regular GB players Powell has 19 caps and played in Gb sides that came within a whisker of winning the ashes. Gibbo one of the few players who could keep Mal Meninga in check despite the size difference. these players won naff all but achieved so much playing in what was a mid table at best side. and with the exception of RL hall of fame-er Schofield
where 3 of the only truly international class players we had from about 1984 until 92 ish. they were shining lights in an awful era for the club when we had the likes of the Rayne twins, andy Mason, Mark Conway, Colin Maskill, and quite a few crap aussie imports (a few good ones from time to time) and if we have had 4-5 other players of a higher standard pretty sure we would have had some success, but we did not, but lack of medals does not rule them out off being greats. The likes of Lee Smith and Ryan bailey all qualify for our hall of fame and have sacks full of medals. but i would not put either of these ahead of Carl Gibson and Roy Powell. and heron a gifted footballer just in the wrong team wrong era at the wrong time.

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Thu May 17, 2018 3:52 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

I think all the 8 inductees so far are worthy ,but as Caplan said at present there are 126 or so illegible .So do they discuss all 126 or just pull a bunch out of a hat ? this year I think decided on 1980s -90s 1960s , 1950s and 1920s -30s .Next I wonder if we will see a player from the start of the golden era ?

there are obvious show ins from the golden era,Sinfield, peacock mcguire, burrow, JJb, Hall possibly Ablett. The rest are good players in a great team were the sum of the parts where greater than the individual parts, but some parts where more integral than others. players like matt Diskin, francis cummings, lee smith Bailey all eligible but would not make it in for me.

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Thu May 17, 2018 8:06 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

Gibbo one of the few players who could keep Mal Meninga in check despite the size difference.

That in the main is true, although i can't get the image of poor Gibbo getting steam rolled like a helpless child in the last seconds of the OT test by big Mal out of my mind whilst reading that.

Re: SS Hall of Fame : Thu May 17, 2018 10:35 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

That in the main is true, although i can't get the image of poor Gibbo getting steam rolled like a helpless child in the last seconds of the OT test by big Mal out of my mind whilst reading that.

The infamous grid iron block. Would be disallowed now. The image of Ricky stuart breaking through Lee Jacksons touch rugby attempted tackle that led to that try haunts me more.