Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:22 am  

I think the level of grief aimed at Walters is pretty disgusting to be honest. Whilst he's not the greatest, and clearly he's a bit part squad player, when he does get the chance, he is all effort - what more can you ask for?
Yes he's of limited ability compared to the better Super League players, but he's certainly better than many give him credit for. When you consider the amount of money he'll be earning (he'll easily be one of the lowest paid players in SL), he comes in and does a job when asked to do so. What do people expect, that he'll resign and say 'nah I'm not gonna play this week Brian because I think there are better players out there'.
The criticism is well over the top and smells like a personal vendetta.

On a more positive note, Myler was terrific. I mentioned it a few weeks ago after the Storm game, his defence is brilliant - he makes good reads and really puts his body into a tackle. He's also taking the ball right to the line to create space and isn't afraid to take a pressure releaving hit up - a sign of a good team player and a great trait to have. I'm impressed so far.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:25 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

What I saw on TV was our second highest tackler with 38 who was our top marker tackler, showing he made a lot of first tackles many of them low down round the legs bring the attacker down. Yes on occasions he was slower getting back in the line but this often happens to players who make a lot of tackles on the trot. Not bad for a player off the bench I say.

So my comment was accurate and valid, and I say your comments are inaccurate and biased and suggest you watch the TV video which provides a closer view of the big effective effort he put in last night and I gather a similar one at Widnes. Why did you choose Walters to have a go at when Ormondroyd only made 9 tackles with 4 misses leading to at least one of their tries?

That said he is just a fringe squad player but so far this season he has done all that has been asked of him and my guess is the coach will be pleased.

You say there are are least 10 players behind him who would do a better job. On his form this season please could you name your "10 players at least who could do a better job" who would come off the bench and be 2nd best tackler with 38!

So this difference of opinion is nothing to do with watching Live or on TV unless of course the action is too far away for you to see. Perhaps you need a visit to Specsavers!

That is quite a ridiculous post, and one that smacks of arrogance. Not worth agruging with. But I can say with confidince your view is pointless, since as usual it is formed with no idea of how a game pans out other than TV views.

If you read my post again, I actually said from the tv you would see a player popping up all over, and in the tackle. We have not disagreed here. What you have absolutely no idea of is the rest of what was said, and when OPTA start producing those more important stats, then you would have something to argue.

The comments made to the rest of the squad at the top of the Carnegie last night about him are more reflective of his performance, and the faces of those fellow squad members in response showed their opinion too.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:30 am  

The Magic Rat wrote:

I disagree and I was at the game.. He put a great defensive shift in and actually filled a few gaps at times when we were stretched. Ball in hand he had little effect last night but in defence he contributed.

Forget numbers of tackles and how did he put a great defensive shift in? It was so easy to work out how to beat him, and Hull were doing it continually late in the game. You simply shift the ball one side, and bring it back quick, and have that player run where Walters should be, and the gap is there continuosly. Another five minutes and Hull had that game, and it was because of that very problem.

Walters chases the ball, he has effort, but he has no idea of shape and where he should be. He is absolutely clueless. One minute he is in the second row position, then prop, then centre, then marker. He has had long enough to learn that part of the game. Junior rugby players know this. There was two efforts in the second half where he was actully going to go into Hull's line, not knowing where the hell he was.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:33 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Terrible terrible excuse for a rugby player.

I presume you are talking about Walters!!
If he is the best of our fringe players God help us. He's runs around like a headless chicken, no part to play in a structured defence. He's had chances out on loan but no one else seems to want him, get rid now.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:55 am  

Walters worked hard in defence but he did look like he was struggling to keep up at times - both in terms of his mobility and positioning.

Credit to him though, at one point he was the only player to stop a Hull player breaking through when the Leeds cover defence was stretched. Probably saved us a try there.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:18 am  

Gotcha wrote:

That is quite a ridiculous post, and one that smacks of arrogance. Not worth agruging with. But I can say with confidince your view is pointless, since as usual it is formed with no idea of how a game pans out other than TV views.

If you read my post again, I actually said from the tv you would see a player popping up all over, and in the tackle. We have not disagreed here. What you have absolutely no idea of is the rest of what was said, and when OPTA start producing those more important stats, then you would have something to argue.

The comments made to the rest of the squad at the top of the Carnegie last night about him are more reflective of his performance, and the faces of those fellow squad members in response showed their opinion too.

Give over he wasn't just popping up all over he put in 38 tackles many of them first in and to only have JJB (44 tackles) ahead of him is to his great credit especially as he came off the bench and his time was limited. Many of his tackles were consecutive so of course he was moving sideways.

I agree he is not near being a first choice player on all round ability but you have to give credit when it is due. You have an agenda with this player and I bet it is awful sitting anywhere near you in the stands

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:28 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Give over he wasn't just popping up all over he put in 38 tackles many of them first in and to only have JJB (44 tackles) ahead of him is to his great credit especially as he came off the bench and his time was limited. Many of his tackles were consecutive so of course he was moving sideways.

I agree he is not near being a first choice player on all round ability but you have to give credit when it is due. You have an agenda with this player and I bet it is awful sitting anywhere near you in the stands

If you were watching on tv then you should have noticed the gaps he left & how he "chased the ball" on many occasions leaving gaps.
Now whilst i agree the lad put a shift in to make out he's some sort of tackling machine is way wide of the mark even with your spread-sheet Coaching manual.
Opta don't list the number of times he was bumped off when fist in a tackle nor the gaps he left when chasing the ball.
He wasn't the only one i thought Mullally was off with his impact aswell.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:38 am  

Exeter Rhino wrote:

Walters worked hard in defence but he did look like he was struggling to keep up at times - both in terms of his mobility and positioning.

Credit to him though, at one point he was the only player to stop a Hull player breaking through when the Leeds cover defence was stretched. Probably saved us a try there.

So did Ormondroyd for one certain try, but he is critisized also.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:58 am  

Superted wrote:

I think the level of grief aimed at Walters is pretty disgusting to be honest. Whilst he's not the greatest, and clearly he's a bit part squad player, when he does get the chance, he is all effort - what more can you ask for?
Yes he's of limited ability compared to the better Super League players, but he's certainly better than many give him credit for. When you consider the amount of money he'll be earning (he'll easily be one of the lowest paid players in SL), he comes in and does a job when asked to do so. What do people expect, that he'll resign and say 'nah I'm not gonna play this week Brian because I think there are better players out there'.
The criticism is well over the top and smells like a personal vendetta.

He is terrible. One of the worst players i have ever seen pull on leeds shirt. The fact he is still doing so after several years baffles me, he should not be blocking any young lads path the first team.

That's all my opinion, if yours is different i respect that. I have only seen similar sentiments really on here with a few jokey asides. As i have said before, he will always be fondly remembered for the 2015 try but he is a very lucky lad to still be at the club nearly 3 years on.

Re: RD 5 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:01 am  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

If you were watching on tv then you should have noticed the gaps he left & how he "chased the ball" on many occasions leaving gaps.
Now whilst i agree the lad put a shift in to make out he's some sort of tackling machine is way wide of the mark even with your spread-sheet Coaching manual.
Opta don't list the number of times he was bumped off when fist in a tackle nor the gaps he left when chasing the ball.
He wasn't the only one i thought Mullally was off with his impact aswell.

He was actually chasing the man with the ball and on 38 occasions made the tackle. He only came on in the first half after 28 minutes and was not on for the whole of the second half so when he was not tackling it did not leave much time for these "many occasions when he left gaps" or "was bumped off when first in a tackle"so you are exaggerating. P

Perhaps you showed watch the TV video and you will see the good work he did which perhaps you did not spot live. While you are doing that you can quantify all these many occasions that he was bumped off and left all these gaps?

I never said he was a tackling machine. What I pointed out was the important role he played in our defence last night to counter the OTT opinion coming fro Gotcha

I am sure you will be pleased that Owen Farrell is captain of England tomorrow. Something I know you predicted or not?