Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:29 pm  

I agree about Keinhorst, a much better centre than Sutcliffe. It seems to me that nobody wants to lose face at HQ after everyone tipping him to be the next Sir Kevin but unfortunately every position he's been tried in he's not been able to hold his place. Jimmy is far ball in hand and he does put some grunt into his tackling. Sutcliffe seems a nice lad but thats probably his biggest problem

Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:40 pm  

cosworth wrote:

I agree about Keinhorst, a much better centre than Sutcliffe. It seems to me that nobody wants to lose face at HQ after everyone tipping him to be the next Sir Kevin but unfortunately every position he's been tried in he's not been able to hold his place. Jimmy is far ball in hand and he does put some grunt into his tackling. Sutcliffe seems a nice lad but thats probably his biggest problem

i am a fan of sutcliffe but he is starting to look like a bit of a dud, as you say does not look really strong in any position, looking like a lee Gaskel type player. possible an average super league player but could be great at championship. hope i am wrong, but he is not living up to his early potential at all. so for me on current form it has to be Jimmy sutcliffe on bench and have to fight for his place back. which might be a good thing might be the kick up he needs.

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Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:44 pm  

Sutcliffe’s still relatively inexperienced in terms of appearances. I think he’s a decent member of your squad. Surely competition for places is good? While he and Keinhorst battle it out it’s better for the team. I think it’s early to be saying either of them are duds. You can’t have superstars in every position nowadays.

Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:07 am  

I like Keinhorst because he looks like he has a rugby brain. He's like the opposite of Walters.

I also like Sutcliffe too, and I think some of the criticism of him is ridiculous. Until the end of last season when he played a few in a row he's hardly played centre at all, and not at all consistently. As it is he did a pretty good job there in both the play off vs Hull and the GF.

Also we have a number of forwards at the back end of their careers. I'd rather keep both of these two around than sign someone just for the sake of it if as expected we lose at least one if not two to retirement at the end of the year.

Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:24 am  

I still think Sutcliffe's best chance of success is at 6. He's not tough enough for the pack. But he needs to learn his trade, probably as a centre or FB (though there's too much competition there), before tying down a SO spot. John Holmes, Hanley, John Joyner, Schofield all did that.

Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:08 am  

tigertot wrote:

I still think Sutcliffe's best chance of success is at 6. He's not tough enough for the pack. But he needs to learn his trade, probably as a centre or FB (though there's too much competition there), before tying down a SO spot. John Holmes, Hanley, John Joyner, Schofield all did that.

That's really stretching it to put him in the company of those individuals. No where near that level in any role. He isn't a 6, and constantly shown that. Said it before and he is a carbon copy of Gaskill at Huddersfield. If people find Gaskill level good enough, so be it, but that is the level of ability of Sutcliffe.

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Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:29 am  

Think he'll make a decent centre given the opportunity.

Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:38 am  

Gotcha wrote:

That's really stretching it to put him in the company of those individuals. No where near that level in any role.

I never said he was.

Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:43 am  

I never rated Sutcliffe until he was moved to centre and I think, given time and more aggression, he has potential in that position.
However, I've always rated Jimmy nomatter where he was asked to play. He always gives 100% and I can't remember him ever letting us down. He was voted the fans player of the season in 2016 and seems a popular choice with everyone I speak to.
Jimmy would be my first choice for centre and certainly always in my 17 given his versatility.

Re: Sutcliffe vs Keinhorst for LC : Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:19 pm  

wow the sutty bashing season comes round quick (and it seems certain posters look forward to it), i feel for him it seems just as he settling in to a position and looks like he could make it his own like full back at the end of 2016 or centre back end of last season we pick up an injury and for some reason McD has a default setting of lets move sutty again. For me when moon pulled out the obvious choice would be to bring in the next half back (lilley) or has that ship sailed.