Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:59 pm  

Superted wrote:

We're sanitising the sport, making it less brutal, less gladiatorial, removing lots of the stuff that has separated league from other boring soft c0ck sports... You only need to look at State of Origin viewing figures as good evidence of the impact these rulings can make - they're drastically down since the banning of shoulder charges and punching.

Now I know you're trolling.

People won't watch League because punching someone in the head is frowned upon? Really? Give over.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:22 pm  

Superted wrote:

But we're not playing American football are we... The games are completely different, with differs types of collision... It's a nonsense argument....

We're sanitising the sport, making it less brutal, less gladiatorial, removing lots of the stuff that has separated league from other boring soft c0ck sports... You only need to look at State of Origin viewing figures as good evidence of the impact these rulings can make - they're drastically down since the banning of shoulder charges and punching.

They're down because it's a one-horse race and has been for some time!

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:57 pm  

State of Origin used to be a real spectacle - rugby league at it's most ferocious and for me rugby league at it's finest. Now it's a mirror to league the game over a pale, bland imitation of it's former self. SOO no longer lives up to the hype and not just because of the monotony of series results. In the past it was rare for a set of six not to draw an audible gasp from an expectant audience - now nothing, nada, zilch just another eighty minute game of pretty ordinary league.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:15 pm  

tvoc wrote:

State of Origin used to be a real spectacle - rugby league at it's most ferocious and for me rugby league at it's finest. Now it's a mirror to league the game over a pale, bland imitation of it's former self. SOO no longer lives up to the hype and not just because of the monotony of series results. In the past it was rare for a set of six not to draw an audible gasp from an expectant audience - now nothing, nada, zilch just another eighty minute game of pretty ordinary league.

But that's not because the shoulder charge has been banned or that you're not allowed to punch each other anymore.

It's a consequence of the big increases in player size and strength over the years. Large impacts don't look like big hits anymore. But they are still big hits.

Which is why we have to look at our rules and interpretations to increase the amount of offloads and opportunities to play attractive rugby. And to decrease the opportunities for big, hulking, behemoths to slow and stifle play.

I also think we have to look at enabling other areas of the game in which a team can compete. Right now there's basically only 1 area of competition. The play the ball. If you don't "win" that area of competition it's pretty certain you're going to lose. So I think opening up other areas would be very helpful and make the game both more competitive (especially at international level) and more interesting.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:59 pm  

Him wrote:

But that's not because the shoulder charge has been banned or that you're not allowed to punch each other anymore.

It's a consequence of the big increases in player size and strength over the years. Large impacts don't look like big hits anymore. But they are still big hits.

Which is why we have to look at our rules and interpretations to increase the amount of offloads and opportunities to play attractive rugby. And to decrease the opportunities for big, hulking, behemoths to slow and stifle play.

I also think we have to look at enabling other areas of the game in which a team can compete. Right now there's basically only 1 area of competition. The play the ball. If you don't "win" that area of competition it's pretty certain you're going to lose. So I think opening up other areas would be very helpful and make the game both more competitive (especially at international level) and more interesting.

Shoulder charges (and defensive tackles where you use the shoulder to protect rather than attack but don't get the arm around) are fine as long as they don't hit the head. No different to an arm. If you hit the head you're off.

Punching is bad but not worth a bigger ban than an attack on the knees/ankles (excepting cheap shots) on a held up man.

Players don't want to and aren't used to a good scrap these days but every so often a little dust up where no one is hurt really makes the game interesting. Just look at NHL.

I don't want all fighting and shoulder charges but we're losing the "tough" battle with union and I don't see many big hits is SL and I'm slightly biased because I was pretty good at an amateur shoulder charge buy the game needs to be a tad more brutal. I'd rather see big honest hits than snidey twists and attacks at the legs (or head).

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:27 am  

The last thing the amateur game needs is the return of the shoulder charge.

I'm sure the self-employed bloke who can't earn for six weeks because some wannabe SBW smashed him in the jaw with a misdirected shoulder loves them.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:35 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If anyone can give me a memorable, legal example of a shoulder charge that stuck in their memory and didn't result in injury to one party or the other, go ahead.

I can think of a plethora from Tommy Leuluai.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:08 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

The last thing the amateur game needs is the return of the shoulder charge.

I'm sure the self-employed bloke who can't earn for six weeks because some wannabe SBW smashed him in the jaw with a misdirected shoulder loves them.

I don't know 1 amatuer player that agrees with the rule... And as someone who's had plenty of time off work from injuries playing rugby (including a full knee reconstruction from a cowards 'snapper' tackle when I was held up) I fully accept the risks (as does anyone stepping over the line) when I step on the field and have the option of insurances etc to mitigate the risk...

So why soften the game? The ones crying about the dangers and making these changes are people who are not impacted at all by the so called dangers.... It's absolute bobbins.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:41 pm  

Superted wrote:

I don't know 1 amatuer player that agrees with the rule... And as someone who's had plenty of time off work from injuries playing rugby (including a full knee reconstruction from a cowards 'snapper' tackle when I was held up) I fully accept the risks (as does anyone stepping over the line) when I step on the field and have the option of insurances etc to mitigate the risk...

So why soften the game? The ones crying about the dangers and making these changes are people who are not impacted at all by the so called dangers.... It's absolute bobbins.

If we're looking at the amateur game rather than the pro game then there's absolutely a reason to both get rid of shoulder charges and to "soften" the game. To increase participation.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:42 pm  

Him wrote:

Superted wrote:

I don't know 1 amatuer player that agrees with the rule... And as someone who's had plenty of time off work from injuries playing rugby (including a full knee reconstruction from a cowards 'snapper' tackle when I was held up) I fully accept the risks (as does anyone stepping over the line) when I step on the field and have the option of insurances etc to mitigate the risk...

So why soften the game? The ones crying about the dangers and making these changes are people who are not impacted at all by the so called dangers.... It's absolute bobbins.

If we're looking at the amateur game rather than the pro game then there's absolutely a reason to both get rid of shoulder charges and to "soften" the game. To increase participation.

I was talking whole game, including amatuer....

And changing or 'softening' the sport to increase participation is a ridiculous idea - coz if that's the case, let's just play football instead - that'll increase numbers too.... There's already a touch/tag version of the game that provides an opportunity for those who don't want to risk injury.... Why change the sport into something different to what that the majority of players and fans fell in love with in the first place?