Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:03 am  

THe current interpretation on shoulder charges seems quite sensible. You can hit just with your shoulder as long as youre not side on with no attempt to wrap your arm around.

Union's interpretation of the shoulder charge is much more severe. If you don't wrap your arms around its considered a shoulder charge. I've given penalties away and been binned for making a big tackle where the guy has flown backwards and I've not been able to get my arms around.

On danger, its dangerous for both the tackled player and the tackler. I shattered my collarbone into 5 pieces trying on 5 years ago, and it took a 6inch plate and 6 months out of the game to recover. Big collisions are good but the mechanics of a shoulder charge make it more likely to cause injury to either party

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:10 pm  

The shoulder charge was a legitimate form of 'big hit' that has been ruled illegal and now gone from the game and the spectacle of league IMO is subsequently diminished.

There was always an issue where the shoulder occasionally contacted the head of an opponent (SBW on Bai, Bailey on Fa'asavalu) and the sport took too long to address but now the solution has harmed the show.

If someone wants to put in the shot and gets it wrong then throw the book at him at the disciplinary.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:20 pm  

tvoc wrote:

The shoulder charge was a legitimate form of 'big hit' that has been ruled illegal and now gone from the game and the spectacle of league IMO is subsequently diminished.

There was always an issue where the shoulder occasionally contacted the head of an opponent (SBW on Bai, Bailey on Fa'asavalu) and the sport took too long to address but now the solution has harmed the show.

If someone wants to put in the shot and gets it wrong then throw the book at him at the disciplinary.

Agreed. The sport misses the big hit as you say. Of course it can be harmful if done incorrectly but so can any tackle.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:09 pm  

"The solution has harmed the show"?

There are still plenty of big hits in RL. The difference is, these are done with significantly less risk of serious injury to the tackler or ball carrier than a barely controlled shoulder charge presents.

If anyone can give me a memorable, legal example of a shoulder charge that stuck in their memory and didn't result in injury to one party or the other, go ahead.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:10 pm  

tvoc wrote:

The shoulder charge was a legitimate form of 'big hit' that has been ruled illegal and now gone from the game and the spectacle of league IMO is subsequently diminished.

There was always an issue where the shoulder occasionally contacted the head of an opponent (SBW on Bai, Bailey on Fa'asavalu) and the sport took too long to address but now the solution has harmed the show.

If someone wants to put in the shot and gets it wrong then throw the book at him at the disciplinary.

Completely agree. My mate played in the academy with Singleton, and he's talked about when they played Wigan and Fielded was coming back from injury. Fielden ran it in and Singo sent him flying with a shoulder charge. My mate talks about how it lifted the Leeds team and gave them a boost. Done in that scenario, it's a brilliant part of the game. The issue was/is when players use them on people after they've passed the ball. I've been on the end of those and time out because of whiplash. We still see those tackles and there should be a hefty ban attached. This is a tough sport, but it seems to have softened over the years

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:42 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

"The solution has harmed the show"?

There are still plenty of big hits in RL. The difference is, these are done with significantly less risk of serious injury to the tackler or ball carrier than a barely controlled shoulder charge presents.

If anyone can give me a memorable, legal example of a shoulder charge that stuck in their memory and didn't result in injury to one party or the other, go ahead.

There are tons of examples Andy, Tube of You has plenty of quality compilations if you need evidence.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:41 pm  

i agree with the ban. it crates needless danger to the player being tackled

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:09 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

i agree with the ban. it crates needless danger to the player being tackled

Fully agree. It is an injury waiting to happen and is totally unnecessary. I fail to see why this particular sort of GBH appeals to some rugby fans as so often in the past it was not a fair contest as the big bully chose to target talented small slight backs to try and injure them out of the game with the result the quality of the "show" was diminished.

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:26 pm  

It's the athletes and their ability to do what others simply couldn't that made league a game apart and still does but somewhat less so these days.

I'd be happy to let them decide what they are prepared to accept as part of the ongoing physical contest.

When asked what have they said?

Re: Segeyaro's tackle on Green : Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:14 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

Fully agree. It is an injury waiting to happen and is totally unnecessary. I fail to see why this particular sort of GBH appeals to some rugby fans as so often in the past it was not a fair contest as the big bully chose to target talented small slight backs to try and injure them out of the game with the result the quality of the "show" was diminished.

Nobody wants to see the return of hitting halfbacks after they have released the ball, but the reality is that some teams still do it and get away with it by wrapping their arms around
The spectacle of the two packs battling however is as much a part of the spectacle as the speed and skill, the shoulder charge used to be a big part of that

It is also an effective way for little men to stop bigger men running at full tilt without giving away a quick ptb