Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:36 pm  

William Eve wrote:

An extremely toxic element has been removed.

I'll spell it out because it hasn't sunk in with quite a number of fans.

H A R D A K E R

The toxic element above still retains a fanbase of fellow morons who hope he'll return to the club

So we are now eliminating - SPOTY, the floods, No Gym, The Kiwis etc........ ?

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:24 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

So we are now eliminating - SPOTY, the floods, No Gym, The Kiwis etc........ ?

Those above are reasons often cited by club lackeys and sycophants.

Have I ever resembled a club lackey or sycophant?

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:45 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Those above are reasons often cited by club lackeys and sycophants.

Have I ever resembled a club lackey or sycophant?

of course not.

look, I am no defender of Hardaker, the lad appears to have little between his lug holes and the club are likely better off without him long term, but i feel its unfair to label him the toxic reason Leeds have been so abysmal. if we had been running with the same team that was taking beating after beating a few weels ago since Hardaker left i would see reason to agree with you, but there is more evidence Our upturn in results have coincided more with quite a few returnees, the addition of Segeyaro and a bit of luck to get the right side of close games.

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:51 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

:lol: of course not.

look, I am no defender of Hardaker, the lad appears to have little between his lug holes and the club are likely better off without him long term, but i feel its unfair to label him the toxic reason Leeds have been so abysmal. if we had been running with the same team that was taking beating after beating a few weels ago since Hardaker left i would see reason to agree with you, but there is more evidence Our upturn in results have coincided more with quite a few returnees, the addition of Segeyaro and a bit of luck to get the right side of close games.

You could also point out that we won the 2 games before he left and lost the first game after he left
But that wouldn't get in the way of good old troll post would it

You have been oddly quiet William since our recent upturn in form?

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:04 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Those above are reasons often cited by club lackeys and sycophants.

Have I ever resembled a club lackey or sycophant?

Leeds have won 4 out of the last 5 games. Why are you here? Come back when they've started losing more games again.

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:08 am  

Personally I'm not a big believer in coincidences.
Our upturn in fortunes happens at the same time as getting our training ground back, Hardaker leaving, Segeyaro arriving and top class players returning from injury. Some of these events are obviously more influential than others. I'm not convinced Hardaker was as toxic as some seem to think however you would really need an insiders knowledge to know this.
Whatever the reasons lets hope we can carry some form forward and win the middle 8's, anything less would be a compound on a miserable season.
The game against KR on Thursday showed that we are not going to have it all our own way as the intensity of SL survival hots up, that game was only for the pleasure of having an extra home game!

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:25 am  

think I would agree with all this. I do believe significant changes have to be made for next season for us to challenge. not lots of changes but big decisions

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:23 pm  

Also not a coincidence that Lowes coming back to take some defensive sessions has resulted in a upturn in technique, structure and enthusiasm.

Probably a few Bulls fans this afternoon wishing they'd kept him around.

Re: Annoyed or Relieved? : Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:38 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Also not a coincidence that Lowes coming back to take some defensive sessions has resulted in a upturn in technique, structure and enthusiasm.

Probably a few Bulls fans this afternoon wishing they'd kept him around.

Which perhaps is telling us that it might be the coaching structure which is the problem rather than the coach himself.

Perhaps McDermott needs a late period Alex Ferguson role, at the top of the food chain, but with a lot of technical support around him.

McDermott has brought through a lot of players not only at Leeds but London aswell, stuck with a few like Kienhorst who have thrived despite people telling us he would never be an SL player, lifted trophies,