Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Mon May 02, 2016 5:52 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

no we dont. We would need a far greater data set than 13 games in to a season.

Why would we. We know it is not working for those without, that is good enough.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Mon May 02, 2016 5:57 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

It really isn't. We only have to look at this year the benefit to those playing these friendlies.

You made this claim earlier this year after the reserve teams had only played one fixture. Are Warrington doing well because they've played a couple of reserve games or because they've signed two NRL HB's? I'd suggest the latter. Are Wigan and Saints any different to what they've been for past seasons? In fact they look poorer even if they're still up near the top. Would we be doing any better if we'd have played 2/3 reserve games? Very much doubt it.

Thats not even to say we shouldn't have a reserve side/competition but to say the league table shows the benefit of it already after so little games and most who have reserve teams still being in the positions they usually occupy is far fetched.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Mon May 02, 2016 6:03 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

You made this claim earlier this year after the reserve teams had only played one fixture. Are Warrington doing well because they've played a couple of reserve games or because they've signed two NRL HB's? I'd suggest the latter. Are Wigan and Saints any different to what they've been for past seasons? In fact they look poorer even if they're still up near the top. Would we be doing any better if we'd have played 2/3 reserve games? Very much doubt it.

Thats not even to say we shouldn't have a reserve side/competition but to say the league table shows the benefit of it already after so little games and most who have reserve teams still being in the positions they usually occupy is far fetched.

No, I made this claim this week, having been convinced of its merits. I said a Huddersfield and Leeds coach at Easter said those teams were finding the benefits of it. I never said then, that I agreed with it. However, the proof is clearly there, and I can see the sense they were talking.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Mon May 02, 2016 7:01 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Why would we. We know it is not working for those without, that is good enough.

We dont know anything. Its 13 games in. The idea this has proven anything is moronic.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Mon May 02, 2016 7:10 pm  

I'm of the opinion that Leeds chances of scraping into the Top 8 after 23 rounds probably evaporated with that defeat at Huddersfield on Friday.

I don't envisage them winning 7 out of the next 10 fixtures.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Tue May 03, 2016 12:29 am  

I think we'll see a spate of injured players miraculously fit for the Cup game. If that happens it will tell us all we need to know about how much effort is now being put into the league.

On reserves my view is simple - I prefer the feeder team concept as players not in the first team would be playing in a more competitive environment, but if its done half-baked (as it is in RL in England) then a simple reserve competition is better. The standard won't be high, but all you really want is more match fit open age players who can do a job if required, as well as get Academy players used to playing open age. That's what the old reserve competition used to do.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Thu May 05, 2016 1:07 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

You made this claim earlier this year after the reserve teams had only played one fixture. Are Warrington doing well because they've played a couple of reserve games or because they've signed two NRL HB's? I'd suggest the latter. Are Wigan and Saints any different to what they've been for past seasons? In fact they look poorer even if they're still up near the top. Would we be doing any better if we'd have played 2/3 reserve games? Very much doubt it.

Thats not even to say we shouldn't have a reserve side/competition but to say the league table shows the benefit of it already after so little games and most who have reserve teams still being in the positions they usually occupy is far fetched.

I see Peacock has now come out and said the exact same thing as the Huddersfield and Leeds coach said to me. His words, "It is no coincidennce that five of top six teams in the league this year have a reserve team".

It really isn't, but to see that you would also have to think without the need to defend everything Leeds does.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Thu May 05, 2016 4:06 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

I see Peacock has now come out and said the exact same thing as the Huddersfield and Leeds coach said to me. His words, "It is no coincidennce that five of top six teams in the league this year have a reserve team".

It really isn't, but to see that you would also have to think without the need to defend everything Leeds does.

Yeah me defending what Leeds doing, its not like I said

ThePrinter wrote:

Thats not even to say we shouldn't have a reserve side/competition

It's no coincidence that Wigan, Saints, Warrington are up at the top half of the table because they always usually are.....why were they near the top for all these other recent seasons? Weren't Hull 2 from 2 at the start of the season and 1st place before any reserve games had even been played......how does that work if reserve games are the reason for their success, of which btw they've only played 3 including one against Featherstone reserves.

If not having a reserve side is costing Leeds and Hudds, why are they below other teams like Cas, Wakey and Salford who also don't have reserve sides.

I actually do think we should have a reserve side and that it will benefit sides, but OVER TIME, not after one or two games of being introduced.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Thu May 05, 2016 5:57 pm  

Completely ignoring the point that Leeds and Huddersfield are way behind those teams, who were the clubs who chose not to go without reserve sides, yet were above them previously. What about Hull and Widnes which you also ignore. You are trying to defend a point without foundation, with completely the opposite showing to be correct.

Hearing from two coaches who's clubs went against it, and now a great at his new club also declaring they had made a mistake, these people are quickly coming to the same conclusion, that you seem to not be seeing.

Re: Will the Rhinos make the 8? : Thu May 05, 2016 5:59 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

I see Peacock has now come out and said the exact same thing as the Huddersfield and Leeds coach said to me. His words, "It is no coincidennce that five of top six teams in the league this year have a reserve team".

It really isn't, but to see that you would also have to think without the need to defend everything Leeds does.

It is a massive coincidence. It can be nothing else at this stage.

I notice you cherry pick Peacocks statements but ignore the fact that 3 clubs have already given up on it and another is moaning about it.

I have no problem with a reserves in principle. The issue comes with the fact it pays no attention to the reality of the structure the game operates under.

SL's reduction to 12 should have seen an increase in quality and talent, a consolidation of quality between fewer sides, except it didnt because we actually still have 14 full time sides, plus a couple more with increased wage bills trying to get close to full-time but we havent produced any more players. So we have the same pool spread over more sides.

The SC has stayed the same so SL clubs can't offer more to these players, or these ones who have broken through at 20/21 so its not even the best of that cohort who are playing in it. Its a joke league. Its quality is less than league 1, there are barely any fixtures, and its costly.

Would you want a young player playing and learning week in week out against Leigh, Bradford, Dewsbury, or playing once every couple of weeks against Dewsbury Reserve, Keighley Reserves or Hull Reserves.