Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:03 pm  

DHM wrote:

? He has one kick, end over end bouncy one straight at the line with fairly random degrees of weighting - soft or really, really hard. Sometimes it works though, and these are the things you develop with experience. If he could stick around for a few years he has chances. Does need to improve his defence though.

He forced a series of goal line drop-outs with these supposedly random kicks, which is more than any other Leeds player has been able to do for years, so if they are random then they're pretty lucky. He's also got a decent bomb and his goalkicking is very secure. He's young enough to improve all these things and also learn fancy Cronk/Reynolds torpedo bombs, but he's got better kicking tools already than anyone else at the club. Whether he'll completely make it at absolutely top level as an all-around player is another matter but he seems level-headed and has the potential.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:27 pm  

He has the best goal kicking percentage in super league. He has enough pace to make an initial break and he reads the game better than most. Also he doesn't wait for the game to come to him. He gets himself involved. He's also 19 for crying out loud. Imagine him in his mid twenties.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:29 pm  

He should stay in the team for his goal kicking a loan. The majority of games we've lost this year have been by 4 points or in other words, missed conversions.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:37 pm  

Joshheff90 wrote:

He has the best goal kicking percentage in super league. He has enough pace to make an initial break and he reads the game better than most. Also he doesn't wait for the game to come to him. He gets himself involved. He's also 19 for crying out loud. Imagine him in his mid twenties.

Spot on. Also any day of the week I'd take someone who has the awareness/brains to make those breaks/interceptions and get tackled 30m/40m short rather than someone who doesn't make them. If Lilley isn't fast enough to finish them off then someone should be on his shoulder in support to finish the job.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:32 pm  

I can't believe there is even a thread daring to criticize him! As a Wire fan I think he's been nothing short of fantastic for you guys in the way he has come into the team and kept you in games more than you'd probably like! His rugby brain is top notch and I can see him being your new Sinfield but with more skill if he sticks around. Your best player this year by a mile. Yeah he isn't the fastest but when he intercepts a ball if Watkins is up his backside he wouldn'tneed to be!. If you go down I think he'd make an excellent addition to our team, you can have Ratchford!

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sun May 01, 2016 4:56 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Spot on. Also any day of the week I'd take someone who has the awareness/brains to make those breaks/interceptions and get tackled 30m/40m short rather than someone who doesn't make them. If Lilley isn't fast enough to finish them off then someone should be on his shoulder in support to finish the job.

Could not agree more - he has the awareness that Mcguire showed in his youth just not the raw pace

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sun May 01, 2016 7:34 am  

craigizzard wrote:

He forced a series of goal line drop-outs with these supposedly random kicks, which is more than any other Leeds player has been able to do for years, so if they are random then they're pretty lucky. He's also got a decent bomb and his goalkicking is very secure. He's young enough to improve all these things and also learn fancy Cronk/Reynolds torpedo bombs, but he's got better kicking tools already than anyone else at the club. Whether he'll completely make it at absolutely top level as an all-around player is another matter but he seems level-headed and has the potential.

Wasn't talking about his goalkicking which is very solid. I stand by the assessment of his kicking game from what I've seen in the last few matches. His high kicks are pretty ordinary, he has no cross field option that I've seen. His one short kick is end over end straight forward. One of the dropouts he forced was from a kick that would have ended up in Manchester had it not ricocheted off a Hudds player into another like a pinball.
I thought Lilley played okay, he took his try really well and you are right, some of his short kicks were weighted well but over the several games I have seen Sutcliffe is the one that looks up and varies his kick and they are attacking kicks looking to create a scoring chance, Lilley does the same kick and it's generally simple to handle.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sun May 01, 2016 8:50 am  

DHM wrote:

Wasn't talking about his goalkicking which is very solid. I stand by the assessment of his kicking game from what I've seen in the last few matches. His high kicks are pretty ordinary, he has no cross field option that I've seen. His one short kick is end over end straight forward. One of the dropouts he forced was from a kick that would have ended up in Manchester had it not ricocheted off a Hudds player into another like a pinball.
I thought Lilley played okay, he took his try really well and you are right, some of his short kicks were weighted well but over the several games I have seen Sutcliffe is the one that looks up and varies his kick and they are attacking kicks looking to create a scoring chance, Lilley does the same kick and it's generally simple to handle.

Yeah. Why isn't this 19 year old who is in his first season the complete player? It really takes the mickey. Surely he's had enough games in a winning team, surrounded by top players in top form to do better than he is. So what if he has been our best half back, he should be better!!!

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sun May 01, 2016 9:15 am  

I think it does young players good to be hyper-critical about aspects of their game. I've seen too many young players come into SL with bags of promise but some serious flaws, and then plateau in their development without addressing them.

Young players in this country have a tendency to reach a comfort zone, where they are good enough to get picked every week without needing to tackle the weak points of their game. Anything which helps jolt them out of that and encourage them to continue developing is a good thing IMO.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Sun May 01, 2016 9:43 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

I think it does young players good to be hyper-critical about aspects of their game. I've seen too many young players come into SL with bags of promise but some serious flaws, and then plateau in their development without addressing them.

Young players in this country have a tendency to reach a comfort zone, where they are good enough to get picked every week without needing to tackle the weak points of their game. Anything which helps jolt them out of that and encourage them to continue developing is a good thing IMO.

That isn't down to us as fans, what right do we really have? I'd like to think that both they and the coaching stuff know that a player should always be working on their game. I doubt even JJB goes in and they tell him to relax because he has nothing to work on.

A thread about Lilley's shortcomings is a fecking disgrace. When I see these things I just hope the players don't stumble across these pages. He's putting his body on the line week after week. His defence might not be great right now, but he never hides. In attack he throws himself into it. In fact, on Friday, he took a drive in when the forwards were still coming back. He clearly loves wearing that shirt and is improving each week. Good enough for me right now