Re: Jordan Lilley. : Mon May 02, 2016 9:27 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Why miss of the 2nd part of that sentence?

Yeah convientely left off. It wasn't like they were going (or we were making them go) 80/90m to get to our try line. Dropped kicks in our own 20m, knock ons, and penalties that piggy backed them 30/40m upfield. We actually made more metres than them on the night but those mistakes above meant we did 60 more tackles. We led in the last quarter but that extra defending we did seems to take its toil.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Mon May 02, 2016 9:59 pm  

It was conveniently added on in the first place, a transparent excuse. Hudds moved the ball better, they forced mistakes and won penalties, some of which they exploited. That's what the better team tends to do in a game of rugby league.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Mon May 02, 2016 10:19 pm  

DHM wrote:

It was conveniently added on in the first place, a transparent excuse. Hudds moved the ball better, they forced mistakes and won penalties, some of which they exploited. That's what the better team tends to do in a game of rugby league.

Yes I know that's what the better team tend to do in a game of rugby league. I also know in some games the mistakes and penalties teams concede are mostly off their own unnecessary fault without the opposition forcing them which is what Friday was IMO. We lost that game rather than Hudds won it and Smokey is right, Hudds were unimaginative in attack but we gifted them enough good starting field position that they eventually could get over a couple of times near the end against a tired defence who made themselves do too much work earlier in the game.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Mon May 02, 2016 11:21 pm  

Is this the line re Lilley's kicking you didn't like:

Hardaker failed his first real test of a pressure kick (arguably first two tests V Warrington) and was almost universally condemned on here, most (IIRC) offering the opinion had Lilley been given the job one or both points would have gone to Leeds, well that jury may have to reconsider their verdict on their favoured alternative given this latest evidence.

Lilley's first pressure kick (IMO) which he missed. Saying some Leeds fans 'may have to reconsider' still feels a reasonable comment to make at that time - it's not as if I implied the current best player in the world is a different person when off camera.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Tue May 03, 2016 12:21 am  

So Leeds let in another 5 tries. I'd argue all of them could have been stopped. I've said before, the team just don't look committed in defence as a unit, and I'm with those holding senior players far more guilty than any of the youngsters.

We will never find out how good Lilley, Golding et al are until they get half a chance in a non-garbage team. FWIW I like the look of Lilley though, and I don't think he's as slow as some suggest.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Tue May 03, 2016 7:32 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

YAWN! Do you just have that line on copy and paste?

Considering the general reasons people gave for Friday's loss were Leeds' poor discipline mostly by Ferres, the poorness of Watkins and Sutcliffe and inability to catch bombs then are you still going to trot out that tiresome line just because I correctly highlighted how you and William jumped on something (Lilley being compared to experienced NRL players) that really wasn't truely there.

Maybe he does. Won't know until Leeds improve. I'd actually say playing well in a struggling team is a good sign, not a reason to say that's the only reason he looks good.

So are you saying I misread where posters said if McGuire had played we would have won? If we had a full side out we walk this etc. Nobody more adept at this than you - something you don't like being pointed out. We have lost 5 games by 4 points if we had won those we would be in challenging for the top 4 - that's one of yours!! Nothing like stating the bloody obvious!!

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Tue May 03, 2016 9:06 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So are you saying I misread where posters said if McGuire had played we would have won? If we had a full side out we walk this etc. Nobody more adept at this than you - something you don't like being pointed out. We have lost 5 games by 4 points if we had won those we would be in challenging for the top 4 - that's one of yours!! Nothing like stating the bloody obvious!!

No that's not one of mine. I said we should've won 4 more games this year than what he have done (mainly the Easter ones)....once again your 'fantastic' reading skills strike!

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Tue May 03, 2016 9:34 am  

Professional sport is a results driven business - happy to be accused of stating the bleeding obvious here - Leeds' results are in danger of leading them out of top flight if they can't turn them around. Just as nobody should really care about the margin of victory, there is no comfort and certainly no points to be had from a defeat no matter by how narrow a margin. A defeat is a defeat - no amount of excuses or even valid reasons will change that. Yet to win away from home in 2016, yet to win more than one in a row - if the season continues as it has to this point .... well it's over and being the butt of every other supporter's jokes awaits.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Tue May 03, 2016 12:45 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yes I know that's what the better team tend to do in a game of rugby league. I also know in some games the mistakes and penalties teams concede are mostly off their own unnecessary fault without the opposition forcing them which is what Friday was IMO. We lost that game rather than Hudds won it and Smokey is right, Hudds were unimaginative in attack but we gifted them enough good starting field position that they eventually could get over a couple of times near the end against a tired defence who made themselves do too much work earlier in the game.

I didn't say Hudds were great, just that they were better than us.

Re: Jordan Lilley. : Tue May 03, 2016 1:35 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Is this the line re Lilley's kicking you didn't like:
Lilley's first pressure kick (IMO) which he missed. Saying some Leeds fans 'may have to reconsider' still feels a reasonable comment to make at that time - it's not as if I implied the current best player in the world is a different person when off camera.

You don't have to see much of Lilley and Hardaker taking place kicks to work out which is the natural kicker and which is not. Or indeed which is the natural play-maker. So I would say some Leeds fans may have to reconsider their opinions of the young half back.