Re: 19 man squad : Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:16 pm  

chapylad wrote:

So
Golding
Briscoe .L
Watkins
Keinhorst
Handley
Sutcliffe
Lilley
Garbut
Burrow
Galloway
Ferres
Achurch
JJB

Falloon
Mulalley
Baldwinson
Smith

Fooking heck.

Indeed. I am not usually keen on loan deals but can't help think larne Patrick or danny tickle might have been worth a punt given we are so busted. Cam smith might get 10-15 mins but at 17 it's a poor reflection we are so desperate to play a forward at that age. We have nobody to play aged 18-22 . The guy is a talent but which other club is playing 17 year old forwards. Agree with Salford fan on another thread the sleeve should shut his grid and focus on our mess of a season. If I was a cynical man I might wonder if he is trying to distract attention from us being forced to play a side like the one above

Re: 19 man squad : Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:46 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

How does Smith get in before Baldwinson - he needs to find a new coach to play for - McDermott obviously has no faith

Is Baldwinson not in the 17 tomorrow?

Re: 19 man squad : Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:23 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

How does Smith get in before Baldwinson - he needs to find a new coach to play for - McDermott obviously has no faith

They play different positions. I want to see Baldwinson in, but he can't play backrow, and he doesn't have the brain of Smith.

Also to those questioning loan, etc. Anyone who seriously thinks Danny Tickle could offer us more than Cam Smith, regardless of the number on his birth certificate, seriously needs to check out with a doctor. Patrick fair enough I can understand the argument, but doesn't he play prop these days? We are not short there.

Re: 19 man squad : Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:47 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

They play different positions. I want to see Baldwinson in, but he can't play backrow, and he doesn't have the brain of Smith.

Also to those questioning loan, etc. Anyone who seriously thinks Danny Tickle could offer us more than Cam Smith, regardless of the number on his birth certificate, seriously needs to check out with a doctor. Patrick fair enough I can understand the argument, but doesn't he play prop these days? We are not short there.

Like I said not keen on loan deals but also not keen on playing a boy in the pack. We should not need to. My concern for smith is his long term development and A few games sat on bench watching or 10-15 mins playing In a struggling team this year will not help him. See Stevie ward and injuries. Bottom line is we should not need to even consider smith or desperate loans to get a team on the paddock.

Re: 19 man squad : Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:32 am  

It'll be interesting if this season changes GH's views on a reserve competition. Had we an old-style A Team then the likes of Luke Briscoe would probably still be at the club and at least be able to fill a spot.

I'm with Mark Laurie on Cam Smith - IMO its verging on negligence to put a 17-year old into the forwards in today's game. I don't care whether the lad himself thinks he's up to it, he's not played regular open age and has basically played against boys.

Re: 19 man squad : Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:21 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Think you are off the spot there Mark. The club have specifically instructed him what he can and can't do, restricting his game time in the academy, and working on him in the gym. I actually spoke to him before the Salford game, and he had no nerves at all about the step up. Infact I can say that having spoken with a few of the ex Oulton boys in the under 19, who train with the first team each week each of them think they are handling it easier than thought.

Cameron is a particularly good organizer also, which is something badly missing in our first team. That said, I still don't think you will see him making his debut.

Im not on about nerves or training im on about actual performance & the 1st year lads have struggled in games including CSThe team are also finding that they dont have as much time & space to play fast open RL they did at u16 level.
Ive no doubts it will come after all they are only half way into their 1st year but i stand by what i said.

Re: 19 man squad : Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:24 am  

Mark Laurie wrote:

Like I said not keen on loan deals but also not keen on playing a boy in the pack. We should not need to. My concern for smith is his long term development and A few games sat on bench watching or 10-15 mins playing In a struggling team this year will not help him. See Stevie ward and injuries. Bottom line is we should not need to even consider smith or desperate loans to get a team on the paddock.

I agree with you that the situation is not ideal for throwing the lad in. He should be used when we have a full side so that no pressure is on him, unlike now. But people need to stop looking at ages, as regardless he was always going to play this season anyway. He is good enough, and he is the future, not to mention he is a first team salaried player.

On the reserve front, I mentioned a few weeks back after speaking with a Leeds and Huddersfield coach, that they both felt their clubs had it wrong on their decision there, and pointed it out at the time that it was no coincidence that the clubs doing well had gone for reserve teams.

Re: 19 man squad : Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:30 am  

Im firmly of the opinion that all SL clubs should run a reserve grade.

Re: 19 man squad : Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:37 am  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

Im firmly of the opinion that all SL clubs should run a reserve grade.

I wasn't, but I have firmly changed my mind. What certainly shouldn't happen though, is two or three clubs going against the rest. If the majority voted for it, then all Super League should have done it. It does appear at the moment at least, that GH will have to eat some humble pie.

Re: 19 man squad : Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:48 am  

Gotcha wrote:

I agree with you that the situation is not ideal for throwing the lad in. He should be used when we have a full side so that no pressure is on him, unlike now. But people need to stop looking at ages, as regardless he was always going to play this season anyway. He is good enough, and he is the future, not to mention he is a first team salaried player.

On the reserve front, I mentioned a few weeks back after speaking with a Leeds and Huddersfield coach, that they both felt their clubs had it wrong on their decision there, and pointed it out at the time that it was no coincidence that the clubs doing well had gone for reserve teams.

Nobody knows whether he will good enough - he hasn't yet played against full time elite athletes. At junior level he was like Karl Pryce i.e. significantly bigger than any of his team mates/opponents albeit more skill than Pryce ever had.

I am looking forward to seeing how he goes - but like others I would concerned about a young lad who may be large but will lack bulk, tendon/ligament strength, muscle toughness etc playing against players who are bigger and stronger than he is and will target him. Has he ever played open age rugby?