Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:48 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

At the moment he's at best poor, at worst a liability with ball in hand. Even defensively, while he's making tackles he missed a clear interception and 90 metre run to the line last night by letting the ball slip through his hands.

Oh that one was a killer. Looked dead set that we'd concede but Brough gave us a lifeline by trying, unnecessarily IMO, to miss too many teammates out with a very long cut out pass to Ormsby.....all Watkins had to do was catch the thing and more than likely no one is catching him, at worst we'd be 70/80m down field against a scattered and retreating defence.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:08 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Looking at the team sheet last night I do wonder if one of the centres had gotten injured (or back 3 with Watkins moving to their position) who would've filled in at centre? Could it be why Smith got in ahead of Baldwinson for last night? Could Smith have potentially been lined up as filling in at centre IF we needed to do that at some point last night. Who else could've done? Ferres or Walters? Too big/lack of speed to cover there now surely?

For all the injuries we've had this year in the backs, pivots and second row.....our props barring Cuthbertson have stayed injury free.

When you contribute as little as our props have this season no chance of getting injured

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:13 pm  

DHM wrote:

Thought so. Never hit the ball up once and in his first spell at least, he was third man in the tackle every time. No way he was first in 19 times - more like 2-3. His effort at marker was also non existent. That first spell when Hudds were all over us we were playing with 4 forwards. Galloway, Garbutt, JJB and Ferres.

He was injured, hadn't trained all week. I am not trying to defend him, but the coach puts him in Injured, not himself. Someone not fit simply can't put in the same as a fully fit player. He also wasn't alone in that regard.

Again Baldwinson talked about, when will people understand he is a prop, a prop. Galloway and Garbutt have been two of our best players for last two weeks. To play Baldwinson it will have to be at the expense of Singleton or Mullalley. I don't see those names mentioned when talking about Baldwinson playing, if I did I could understand.

I also don't understand these comments on youngsters learning. I looked at that side last night, and I honestly can't see more than four of those playing in the next four years. Out of interest who are been classed as youngsters? Sure the learning is brilliant for Lilley, who is a massive positive for us, and really does like someone with a bright future. Smith coming on, we know he has a great future, all it takes is the right development, and any coach would love to have him. Handley learning well, or at least before last night, someone just needs to work on his catching, but then again still an improvement on Hall in that regards.

Having thought we would get hammered before the game with that side, I am somewhat gutted we lost. I don't know how we lost it. Huddersfield are a very poor side, and it was there for Leeds to take. Certain players are working incredibly hard. Certain players are working incredibly hard but are really dumb. Certain players are simply not performing. But out of all that I just hold on to the fact that Lilley does look the bees knees.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:49 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Having thought we would get hammered before the game with that side, I am somewhat gutted we lost. I don't know how we lost it.

Meters made
Hudds - 1268
Leeds - 1293

So we were fine there

But tackles made
Hudds - 305
Leeds - 367

Having to make 62 more tackles, effectively 10 extra sets took its toil in the last quarter. That came from penalties, knock ons and dropped kicks gifting Hudds too much possession especially in good position near our line which we scrambled really well to protect. Some try line stops last night were great.....certainly not the defensive effort of a team that has no faith in the coach or a lost dressing room.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:59 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Meters made
Hudds - 1268
Leeds - 1293

So we were fine there

But tackles made
Hudds - 305
Leeds - 367

Having to make 62 more tackles, effectively 10 extra sets took its toil in the last quarter. That came from penalties, knock ons and dropped kicks gifting Hudds too much possession especially in good position near our line which we scrambled really well to protect. Some try line stops last night were great.....certainly not the defensive effort of a team that has no faith in the coach or a lost dressing room.

Quite right Printer. Gifted possession cost us the game with Sutcliffe and Watkins leading culprits.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:22 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Again Baldwinson talked about, when will people understand he is a prop, a prop. Galloway and Garbutt have been two of our best players for last two weeks. To play Baldwinson it will have to be at the expense of Singleton or Mullalley. I don't see those names mentioned when talking about Baldwinson playing, if I did I could understand.

Spot on. Of our 4 props, like you said Galloway and Garbutt are doing well (the latter is averaging 130m a game). Mullally is doing ok, room to improve but coming on ok. Singleton really out of the 4 hasn't done too well but with some fans academy guys get more slack to underperform than a signing such as Galloway.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:31 pm  

Its a strange one with Singleton.Got dropped early in the year, comes back and gets little minutes.He certainly looks like one lacking confidence right now and its understandable.He will be back.As mentioned i am quite happy last few games with Garbutt, Galloway and Mullally they have made a decent impact.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:46 pm  

None of the middle unit at Leeds (two props and the LF) can do the long minutes Peacock used to do. So you need six middles in your 17 (three to start, three on the bench)

With Cuthbertson and Delaney missing, that leaves you with Garbutt, Galloway, Singleton, Mullally, JJB and one other. No reason that other couldn't be Baldwinson.

Problem with that, is it means you either trust your edge second-rowers to do 80 minutes, or you have an edge player as your fourth bench option. When Moon comes back, that's where Keinhorst fits into the 17 for me. Can cover injuries in the backs, as well as giving either Ferres or Ablett a rest if needed.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:03 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

None of the middle unit at Leeds (two props and the LF) can do the long minutes Peacock used to do. So you need six middles in your 17 (three to start, three on the bench)

With Cuthbertson and Delaney missing, that leaves you with Garbutt, Galloway, Singleton, Mullally, JJB and one other. No reason that other couldn't be Baldwinson.

Problem with that, is it means you either trust your edge second-rowers to do 80 minutes, or you have an edge player as your fourth bench option. When Moon comes back, that's where Keinhorst fits into the 17 for me. Can cover injuries in the backs, as well as giving either Ferres or Ablett a rest if needed.

JJB does long minutes/full games. Given that one of our starting 2nd rowers was Achurch and apparently was playing injured and Ferres was returning after several weeks out then I think Walters and Smith on the bench instead of Baldwinson was the right call. Like I said before when looking at the team sheet I could see Smith being the 2nd rower put to emergency centre if we'd have had an injury there.

Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:11 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

He was injured, hadn't trained all week. I am not trying to defend him, but the coach puts him in Injured, not himself. Someone not fit simply can't put in the same as a fully fit player. He also wasn't alone in that regard.

Again Baldwinson talked about, when will people understand he is a prop, a prop. Galloway and Garbutt have been two of our best players for last two weeks. To play Baldwinson it will have to be at the expense of Singleton or Mullalley. I don't see those names mentioned when talking about Baldwinson playing, if I did I could understand.

I also don't understand these comments on youngsters learning. I looked at that side last night, and I honestly can't see more than four of those playing in the next four years. Out of interest who are been classed as youngsters? Sure the learning is brilliant for Lilley, who is a massive positive for us, and really does like someone with a bright future. Smith coming on, we know he has a great future, all it takes is the right development, and any coach would love to have him. Handley learning well, or at least before last night, someone just needs to work on his catching, but then again still an improvement on Hall in that regards.

Having thought we would get hammered before the game with that side, I am somewhat gutted we lost. I don't know how we lost it. Huddersfield are a very poor side, and it was there for Leeds to take. Certain players are working incredibly hard. Certain players are working incredibly hard but are really dumb. Certain players are simply not performing. But out of all that I just hold on to the fact that Lilley does look the bees knees.

Gotcha when Cuthbertson is fit we will play 5 props so there is no reason Baldwinson could not play. Singleton has coped for plenty on here - he has been poor all season and Mullally is hardly putting in storming performances. Plenty of justifiable scope to give Baldwinson a run out - as I have said before is not as we are even winning these games.