tvoc wrote:
A few weeks ago I plotted a path that I expected Lilley to follow - only time will tell whether that prediction comes true.
Did you place on record your view of his career path? Would you care to state or restate it here. I see him as lower reaches of SL (achieving this currently ironically with Leeds) and as opposition coaches begin to target him defensively he's still got it all to prove.
After he missed a kick earlier in the season you were critical of Lilley being the goal kicker in favour of Hardaker. The following are snippets from your vbarious critical attacks on young Lilley:
'Lilley's only threat has come from little midfield chips'
he has 'no pace without offering a running threat'
a 'Paul McShane clone'
'unlikely to survive long enough to develop skills at this level'
and the career path you plotted for Lilley was all the way down to the Championship; "Leeds - Wakefield - Featherstone"
I note you now say (above) that he will end up in the lower reached of SL. Is this an attempt to alter your original prediction?
I am on record from first seeing Lilley play that he has a great future as he is a head up creative player with good all round rugby skills and is our best natural place kicker. I have said he lacks a bit of pace but so do many others. I do not try to predict exact career paths in the way you do as I lack your crystal ball, but given its past record I have no wish to buy one like yours as it has a rather bad reputation. A licked finger in the air will have more rugby acumen
tvoc wrote:
Not sure I did say the 'not a winger' comment. I did agree with you that he had some good attributes while also pointing to concerns I have had on most occasions I've seen him play 1st grade.
With regard to Golding you said
"After the Hull game it was said Golding clearly isn't going to be a winger, I think we can add full-back to that assessment. What's his actually position supposed to be?"
So by implication that is what you are saying he is not a winger or a fullback..
tvoc wrote:
Yes, I do question his 'relative' bravery as it relates to playing the game - one of the toughest on the planet. Body on the line stuff, not convinced I'm seeing that yet.
You have said "I've yet to see a 1st grade performances where he's consistently brave" and "bravery IMO isn't yet consistently among them" .and that he is "unhappy with contact" and is "looking afraid to take contact" and that he is "going about his work half heartedly" and "Joe Vickery like"
He has made 37 tackles with only 2 misses in just a handful of games with a missed tackle ratio up with with Keinhorst and Watkins and miles better than Hall, Handley and Hardaker. This doesn't fit with your claim he is half hearted and is unhappy with contact I would suggest.
tvoc wrote:
Is Golding a full-back? Taking the high bomb is sort of what you require your full-back to do in those circumstances. I noted on one of his takes he needlessly jumped from the field of play and conceded a drop out when IMO the ball actually could have been taken on the full in-goal.
Golding played a lot of his junior rugby as a half back and most of his academy as a full back and has first team limited experience at FB and wing. He has the all round skills to fit in well in several positions. I think your critical point above is harsh. At Huddersfield previous bombs were dipping at the last minute and you can be critical of most full backs regarding this. he did take others and in particular a very difficult one before half time that most FBs would have missed which you chose to ignore.
tvoc wrote:
No, I would imagine you wouldn't on a single isolated drop compared to Friday. I haven't seen a lot of Golding and on this thread I asked what's his preferred position and do so again, is he a full-back?
The bombs by Brough last Friday and the conditions were very difficult and I have seen the experienced MOS Hardaker drop some this season that were simpler, so take this into consideration before you dish a young player whom you have seen so little of because he hasn't played much first team yet.
tvoc wrote:
Seventeen sounds a high number for any full-back to make - have you verified that particular stat?
17 is as per SL website and it is a high number hence my point.
tvoc wrote:
Before I have a look for myself (if I still have the recording) which two were the try savers? One on ones?
What out for the one on one tray saver in the corner and one where he played the major role in holding their player up. (he may well have been involved in another similar one too!)
