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Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:17 pm  
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It could be. Whilst we didn't pick up the points in the last 2 games, if we performed in those games like we did against HKR and Wakey then we really are bad.

Not saying the performances have been great or good enough BUT they have improved over the last 3 games especially attitude wise. The annoying thing is its came in time for two away games that over the years have historically always been tough to get much from. If we played like we did last night (or like against Hull & Saints) in the games vs HKR, Wakey, Salford and Cas we'd probably be 8 points better off which like I said is the annoying part.


I feel sure we would have won the game had McGuire played but we had made enough chances to win as it was which in a way is a big plus on the earlier part of the season where we could create a chance for love nor money. Lets hope we can get some bodies back soon.

There are some real positives as you say in the last 3 games with good team spirit and scrambling defence and much better attack with Burrow and Lilley leading the way.
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Re: Huddersfield away : Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:30 pm  
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We played Warrington at the best time possible, new team together and gelling. We were crap that night, which was an indicator to how the season was going to go. But some people still make out look how close we came to beating Warrington.


No way was it best time possible, but it was neither a bad time too. That was why I posted a thread quite critical of the preparation/attitude going into the season the next day and got slated for it....yet low and behold things proceeded to get worst.

As I said on another thread, Warrington were focused on 2016 by mid-August. We were still fighting for 2015 success until the 2nd weekend in October and then patting ourselves on the backs for several weeks after. They've got their act together now but Warrington's first few weeks after Sandow got injured was the best possible time to play them, nilled by Hudds and shocking vs Saints.
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Re: Huddersfield away : Sun May 01, 2016 5:48 am  
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He's had plenty of early ball at different times this season, and done nothing with it. He had a couple of opportunities one on one with Brough last night, and was easily tackled without even threatening to beat a man.

At the moment he's at best poor, at worst a liability with ball in hand. Even defensively, while he's making tackles he missed a clear interception and 90 metre run to the line last night by letting the ball slip through his hands.

He deserves every single bit of the criticism he's getting.


Spot in AG.

When Lilley made his first long interception break ending up in the right centre position there was no sign of lazy Watkins, in fact the supporting players were JJB and another forward while Kallum jogged up late. It is precisely this lack of effort and involvement on attack at a time when the team needs the senior players to show up that needs pointing out. He hadn't made a clean break in the last three matches and in two of those he hasn't made a tackle bust either.

Some say he should get the ball earlier but as Jon Wells pointed out he is making no effort to get into space or adopt a good running line like Keinhorst does when the young SO is struggling and needs colleagues to present a target.

Now if he too is carrying an injury which is limiting his running then I apologise but I have no knowledge of this.
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Re: Huddersfield away : Sun May 01, 2016 11:16 am  
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Having been forced into a U-turn regarding 20 year old Lilley after previously writing his SL career off


A few weeks ago I plotted a path that I expected Lilley to follow - only time will tell whether that prediction comes true.

Did you place on record your view of his career path? Would you care to state or restate it here. I see him as lower reaches of SL (achieving this currently ironically with Leeds) and as opposition coaches begin to target him defensively he's still got it all to prove.

you continue with another ill judged attack on young Golding. I think it was you who oddly said he isn't going to be a winger after the Hull game


Not sure I did say the 'not a winger' comment. I did agree with you that he had some good attributes while also pointing to concerns I have had on most occasions I've seen him play 1st grade.


and questioned his bravery into the bargain, something you sort of retracted after the Saints game in which he did well on the wing.


Yes, I do question his 'relative' bravery as it relates to playing the game - one of the toughest on the planet. Body on the line stuff, not convinced I'm seeing that yet.

So he failed to take 3 very difficult high bombs which not only had snow on them but we're spinning and dipping at the last minute too and on this evidence you now write him off as a fullback too.


Is Golding a full-back? Taking the high bomb is sort of what you require your full-back to do in those circumstances. I noted on one of his takes he needlessly jumped from the field of play and conceded a drop out when IMO the ball actually could have been taken on the full in-goal.

Does the name Nathan Graham mean anything to you - Golding under the high ball on Friday reminded me of a sunny day trip to Wembley '96


I didn't recall similar comments when our Man of Steel dropped far easier ones this season.


No, I would imagine you wouldn't on a single isolated drop compared to Friday. I haven't seen a lot of Golding and on this thread I asked what's his preferred position and do so again, is he a full-back?

I note you made no mention of his good takes or the 17 tackles he made (double Hardaker's average) two of which were try savers.


Seventeen sounds a high number for any full-back to make - have you verified that particular stat?

Before I have a look for myself (if I still have the recording) which two were the try savers? One on ones?
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Re: Huddersfield away : Mon May 02, 2016 9:46 am  
Well whatever his position, and at the moment I am also unsure on fullback, he has just signed a new five year deal the other week, yet to be announced, so he needs to be staking a claim.
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Re: Huddersfield away : Mon May 02, 2016 2:16 pm  
Give the lad a chance , no fullback in the world would have taken all those bombs , the best kicker in super league and the worst stadium to deal with them , yes he made mistakes and needs to concentrate on his positioning but i certainly do no see a lack of courage but what i do see is loads of potential
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Re: Huddersfield away : Mon May 02, 2016 2:52 pm  
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Give the lad a chance , no fullback in the world would have taken all those bombs , the best kicker in super league and the worst stadium to deal with them , yes he made mistakes and needs to concentrate on his positioning but i certainly do no see a lack of courage but what i do see is loads of potential


probably get shot down here but i fail to see any serious potential in Golding, especially as a full back.in no way am i blaming him for the dropped balls, you are right in your assessment there.He may prove me wrong in time we will see, i would like to see him given a go in the halves at some point though, if we end up in middle 8s that would be a chance to see what he can so there.
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Re: Huddersfield away : Mon May 02, 2016 3:01 pm  
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Well whatever his position, and at the moment I am also unsure on fullback, he has just signed a new five year deal the other week, yet to be announced, so he needs to be staking a claim.

What is it with five year deals at Leeds?

Which reminds me...

It's been a while since Ryan Hall's latest five year deal has been announced.

Oops!
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Re: Huddersfield away : Mon May 02, 2016 4:36 pm  
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What is it with five year deals at Leeds?

Which reminds me...

It's been a while since Ryan Hall's latest five year deal has been announced.

Oops!



I believe the agent for Ashton, is also the agent for Hall. And indeed a couple of the first year under 19's. His advice to the under 19's was that Hall made the biggest mistake ever in signing his five year deal at Leeds, and the player has regretted it each year since. Not because he doesn't want to be here, but because when he signed it he had the world at his feet, with $400k offers from the NRL, but signed up to £95k per year with Leeds. His advice to the under 19's is, never sign a long term deal until it is one of your last. Maybe the opposite to that reasoning is exactly why Leeds do these five year deals, cheaper at younger.
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Re: Huddersfield away : Mon May 02, 2016 4:49 pm  
Gotcha wrote:
I believe the agent for Ashton, is also the agent for Hall. And indeed a couple of the first year under 19's. His advice to the under 19's was that Hall made the biggest mistake ever in signing his five year deal at Leeds, and the player has regretted it each year since. Not because he doesn't want to be here, but because when he signed it he had the world at his feet, with $400k offers from the NRL, but signed up to £95k per year with Leeds. His advice to the under 19's is, never sign a long term deal until it is one of your last. Maybe the opposite to that reasoning is exactly why Leeds do these five year deals, cheaper at younger.


95k a year, living in Leeds. Poor Ryan Hall.
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