Re: Goalkicking : Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:53 am  

Agree clearwing that there's not very much you would change about the team and you can't just fit a natural goalkicker in for the sake of it. But I just think Lilley should be given the role while he's in the team

Re: Goalkicking : Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:46 pm  

If where going with hardacker then like everything we need to give him time and invest in coaching him. Don't think chopping and changing helps anyone. He seems to have loads of power needs to work on a routine and accuracy. While I wouldn't want sinfield to return playing he isn't too far away to give a bit of advice and tips, but hardaker needs time to find the way that works best for him

Re: Goalkicking : Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:41 pm  

SL is a professional business and place kicking is such an important element in whether you win or lose so it is not something to be treated lightly. I can understand why Hardaker was given the job in the absence of obvious candidates amongst the other starters. Burrow has a long running hamstring problem which place kicking can aggravate and Sutcliffe is just returning from a serious knee injury so there were not many options.

However now with Mags out for 2 months and Lilley the obvious replacement there is a better kicking option. Lilley is a natural kicker something which ZH has never shown. If ZH is to be considered then this should only be when he has proven he has acquired the technique to be able to consistently put them over on the training field with ease. To pursue with him when he is not ready is to risk him losing self confidence which would effect his overall game.

Re: Goalkicking : Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:07 pm  

I start this season hoping for the best but devoid of expectations of back to backing any of last seasons achievements. That's not defeatist or not believing in the team. For me it's just a recognition of the fact that we have some major adjustments to make post Sinfield, those adjustments may come quickly or they may not. We have a great team and a very good coach but we shouldn't expect too much of either this season. It will, I am certain come good and if it takes a season to bed in the new structures, then that's what it takes. There will be highs and lows, enjoy the one and keep a sense or perspective about the other.

Re: Goalkicking : Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:16 pm  

TOMCAT wrote:

I start this season hoping for the best but devoid of expectations of back to backing any of last seasons achievements. That's not defeatist or not believing in the team. For me it's just a recognition of the fact that we have some major adjustments to make post Sinfield, those adjustments may come quickly or they may not. We have a great team and a very good coach but we shouldn't expect too much of either this season. It will, I am certain come good and if it takes a season to bed in the new structures, then that's what it takes. There will be highs and lows, enjoy the one and keep a sense or perspective about the other.

Excellently put good sir. My sentiments too

Re: Goalkicking : Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:13 pm  

Hardaker's late penalty attempt had all the hallmarks of a player trying to kick the bladder out of the ball and losing technique in the process. Worrying too much about having sufficient power to get it dead if he did miss?

Sutcliffe is, IMO, the best goal-kicker of the likely starters. The penalty Hardaker missed was a very similar position to the one he kicked at home to Catalans to snatch a draw IIRC. However, he would have been hampered on Thursday by his calf injury.

Re: Goalkicking : Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:59 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Hardaker's late penalty attempt had all the hallmarks of a player trying to kick the bladder out of the ball and losing technique in the process. Worrying too much about having sufficient power to get it dead if he did miss?

Sutcliffe is, IMO, the best goal-kicker of the likely starters. The penalty Hardaker missed was a very similar position to the one he kicked at home to Catalans to snatch a draw IIRC. However, he would have been hampered on Thursday by his calf injury.

Yep agree with that. Which seems a bit odd given Hardaker has a hell of a boot on him when he does connect.
I'm still generally in favour of Hardaker over Sutcliffe simply because it gives Sutcliffe one less thing he has to worry about, which I think can be helpful for a young half back.

Re: Goalkicking : Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:08 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Hardaker's late penalty attempt had all the hallmarks of a player trying to kick the bladder out of the ball and losing technique in the process. Worrying too much about having sufficient power to get it dead if he did miss?

Sutcliffe is, IMO, the best goal-kicker of the likely starters. The penalty Hardaker missed was a very similar position to the one he kicked at home to Catalans to snatch a draw IIRC. However, he would have been hampered on Thursday by his calf injury.

If I remember correctly Sutcliffe has only recently been able to kick a ball at all after his injury. The club might be taking the view that he should gain some confidence in training first and Zak is simply filling in until Sutcliffe is ready.

Re: Goalkicking : Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:18 pm  

Lilley is a natural kicker. Hardaker just loves the spotlight. Give the kicking duties to Lilley

Re: Goalkicking : Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:47 pm  

TOMCAT wrote:

I start this season hoping for the best but devoid of expectations of back to backing any of last seasons achievements. That's not defeatist or not believing in the team. For me it's just a recognition of the fact that we have some major adjustments to make post Sinfield, those adjustments may come quickly or they may not. We have a great team and a very good coach but we shouldn't expect too much of either this season. It will, I am certain come good and if it takes a season to bed in the new structures, then that's what it takes. There will be highs and lows, enjoy the one and keep a sense or perspective about the other.

agree

1st game of season can have shock results or basketball scores

last thurs was close throughout could have gone either way and better to watch than a lot of the 2011-2014 games