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Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 9:59 am  
Here is a question from our board that most on here should be able to answer;

When TS joined you in 2004 would you say that he recruited a team in, or did he mainly draw on the existing talent and juniors coming through in order to win the silverware ? Obviously he did bring some players into the squad and I remember he was interested in others e.g. Ellis at the the time, but where would you say was the balance ?
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 10:55 am  
From memory, the new recruits for Smith's first season in 2004 were Marcus Bai, Ali Lauitiiti and Chris McKenna.

Think Carl Ablett and Nick Scruton might have made their first team debuts that year as well?

Gareth Ellis then came in 2005, so it's a bit of both really
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 11:06 am  
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From memory, the new recruits for Smith's first season in 2004 were Marcus Bai, Ali Lauitiiti and Chris McKenna.

Think Carl Ablett and Nick Scruton might have made their first team debuts that year as well?

Gareth Ellis then came in 2005, so it's a bit of both really

McKenna played in 2003. Bai was announced before Smith came in. Apart from that you're spot on. THe team was there, it just got adjusted as time went by
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 11:30 am  
Andy Gilder wrote:
From memory, the new recruits for Smith's first season in 2004 were Marcus Bai, Ali Lauitiiti and Chris McKenna.

Think Carl Ablett and Nick Scruton might have made their first team debuts that year as well?

Gareth Ellis then came in 2005, so it's a bit of both really



Scruton made his debut before Smith came. Away at Wigan I think. Not sure Ablett made his debut in 2004 though.

As for Smith he worked with what he had, which to be honest any decent coach could have taken to the title in 2004. But then he added and improved which took us to further levels.
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 11:38 am  
It's always difficult to say with Leeds as Hetherington has such a big role in the recruitment of players alongside the head coach.
IIRC under Smith we recruited:
Lauitiiti
Ellis
Donald
Kirke
McAvoy
Millard
O'Neill
Peacock
Thackray
Toopi
Webb

And the likes of Ablett, JJB, Smith, Tansey & Scruton came through.
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 11:54 am  
IMO the difference between the 2003 side, and the 2004 was massive despite it being pretty much the same side. More clinical in attack, and tighter in defence. Whether, this was just a result of good timing as the young players in the team matured I'm not sure, but for the first couple of years of reign we were a superb side and a joy to watch.
It went downhill for the next 18 months as we lost a number of players, and the likes of Calderwood, Mathers, McKenna, Furner, Adamson, Dunemann, Ward, Thackray, Bai, Walker, McDermott all left the club by the end of 2006, and Matt Diskin never quite managed to reproduce his 2004 form so we struggled. Smith deserves real credit for rebuilding the side during that time.

Regarding Warrington, he's been superb for them as well, but he's definitely been there a couple of seasons too long IMO.
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 1:43 pm  
Make your own mind up......

BEFORE SMITH
DURING SMITH
AFTER SMITH

Full Backs

Brent Webb v Salford 11.02.07
Gary Connolly v Castleford 26.12.01
Jordan Tansey v Catalan Dragons 15.09.06
Lee Smith v Wakefield 28.03.05
Richie Mathers v St Helens 00.00.03

Wingers

Ben Jones Bishop v Celtic Crusaders 18.04.08
Francis Cummins v Hull KR 19.09.93
Marcus Bai v London 22.02.04
Mark Calderwood v ??? 00.00.01
Ryan Hall v Bradford 06.05.07
Scott Donald v Huddersfield 11.02.06

Centres

Brett Delaney v Crusaders RL 29.01.10
Chev Walker v Halifax 13.08.99
Clinton Toopi v Hull FC 04.08.06
Kallum Watkins v Celtic Crusaders 18.04.08
Keith Senior v London Broncos 10.09.99

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Danny McGuire v Salford 06.07.01
Kevin Sinfield MBE v Sheffield Eagles 22.08.97
Rob Burrow v Hull 06.04.01

Prop Forwards

Barrie McDermott v Bradford 22.09.95
Chris Feather v ??? 00.00.03
David Furner v Castleford 26.12.02
Danny Ward v Sheffield Eagles 02.07.99
Ian Kirke v Castleford 05.03.06
Jamie Peacock MBE v Huddersfield 12.02.06
Jamie Thackray v Hull FC 04.08.06
Kylie Leuluai v Salford 11.02.07
Luke Burgess v Castleford 07.03.08
Mark O'Neill v Wakefield 26.12.05
Nick Scruton v ??? 00.00.02
Ryan Bailey v Wakefield 28.06.02

Hookers

Andrew Dunemann v ??? 00.00.03
Danny Buderus v Wakefield Wildcats 13.02.09
Matt Diskin v Castleford 24.02.01
Shane Millard v Huddersfield 10.02.06

Second Rowers

Ali Lauitiiti v Salford 28.05.04
Carl Ablett v London Broncos 18.07.04
Gareth Ellis v Castleford 26.12.04
Jamie Jones-Buchanan v Wakefield 07.05.99
Matt Adamson v Castleford 26.12.01
Willie Poching v Castleford 26.12.02
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 2:15 pm  
Essentially,Smith took a squad which already had the main ingridients to be a success and turned it into winners.There was never a need for major overhaul when he was here,just a sprinkling of quality which most players were who came during his tenure.Similar to what he did at Warrington with the string of CC's and top league finishes.I am a little surprised he hasn't been able to achieve the SL title yet with Wire in that time but he's got damn close just not had the little bit of luck to get the job done.
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 3:05 pm  
Thanks for the in depth analysis, appreciated.
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Re: Tony Smith : Wed May 20, 2015 6:38 pm  
For my money still the best coach in the league by some distance.
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