ThePrinter wrote:
You can once again mention Alex Ferguson and Manchester Utd and yes history tells us that Ferguson wasn't afraid to get rid of any star player like Beckham, Keane, Stam, Van Nistelrooy etc. when he needed to and that he was the guy in charge and when changes needed to be made it was the players that were changed not the coach.......
.......of course all the players and so forth were in the mid 90's and onwards when he had numerous titles to his name and been there over a decade, but what about between 1986 and 1990, a more comparable timescale to the last few Leeds coaches. Did he have that same power or was he one FA Cup defeat away from probably being sacked before he'd ever won anything there?
Comparing Ferguson and Man Utd to Leeds and their last few coaches is such a poor comparison.
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Yes different coaches have different shelf lifes at a club, the same coach can have varying shelf lifes at two different clubs. Funny how you like to point out how Warrington have won thingS under Smith's spell.......given how you've so strongly insisted before that Leeds' CC success is a meaningless achievement and that winning the GF is the one important thing......how does Smith's CV there stack up if you count his CC wins as insignificant like you did Leeds 2014 win? Not even counting the 2009 season as he didn't start the year as their coach that leaves him with 5 full seasons and what to show for it, 1 LLS and 0 GF??? And it's not like they haven't gone out and gotten him quality players, he's probably been given more than anyone else.
I didn't just mention Alex Ferguson I also mentioned Wayne Bennett maybe he is more relevant? Same principle he wasn't afraid to move star players on when he thought it was appropriate - there was only ever one boss when Wayne was in charge.
On Ferguson the idea that he was one game away from the sack is media speculation nothing more.
On Smith his win % is 72% at Warrington compared to McDermott's 64% at Leeds. He inherited a club with little junior quality, understandable when you consider Warrington are competing with Wigan and Saints for juniors, he has sorted that and it is starting to yield some results. He managed to win trophies for the first time in 35 years. He inherited a team even more reliant on Briers than Leeds are on Sinfield so he has had to sort that. Let's see if McDermott can replace Sinfield successfully over the next two years. McDermott unlike Smith inherited a top structure and a team that had won 3 of the previous 4 grand finals. They have both won 3 of the major trophies during their tenure - what is the score between them in major finals?
How do you judge a coach on trophy wins alone or whether they have left the club in a better state then when they joined. Noble is still rated as one one the best coaches in the SL era yet he left Bradford devoid of any meaningful youth structure and broke. Smith's legacy at Warrington will be a positive one not sure the same will be said of McDermott at Leeds.
What position did Sinfield play in the GF wins of 2007, 2008, 2009 and the whole of 2010 - you seemed to have overlooked that?
