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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:11 pm  
Sorry rhinowinorlose but I have a very sort attention span and your posts are far too long.

Is there an abridged version?
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:21 pm  
To be fair their has been plenty of criticism on here of players too not just the coach, sometimes even more so. The consistancy thing is the key thing, i've said before that i think this team can still produce at times and wouldn't at all surprise me if somehow we beat Wigan in CC and/or go on another Grand Final run but at the moment that feels like a toss of a coin whether or not we click for those games. I don't agree with people who think we are saving ourselves for later and with the exception of the 2nd half vs Wigan i don't think its been down to a lack of effort, i merely included that idea previously because its the few of some others.

What is worrying me is that we aren't seeing anything that suggests next year we might end up any better than around 5th/6th again and again relaying on things clicking come playof time. Eventually we will fail and a 5th-8th league finish with early playoff exit isn't good enough and come to think of it even if we do win, whilst great, it will become tiresome suffering 16-wins 11-losses records throughout the season with a couple of heavy defeats to big teams. I would like to see us challenging for around top 3 at least which means a record of around 20-wins 7-losses. (i except you can't win every game).

I think what people can see is that players aren't playing to their potential, even are better players could probably still improve. And again whilst i realise players can't be at the top of their game every week, their are too many, too often, too far away from their best. People will obviously look towards McDermott as coach as he should deem this unacceptable but it kind of looks like he's either accepting it or just doesn't know what to do to change this, neither make him look great tbh. And as we've agreed we don't think its a lack of effort being applied then its a quality issue and as we know these players do have the quality at times so its up to McDermott to make sure it comes out more often if the players efforts are there which they are IMO.
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:53 pm  
Brian McDermott's record as a 1st Grade SL head-coach:

*2006 - 7th
2007 - 9th - 23 pts
2008 - 9th - 22 pts
2009 - 11th - 22 pts
2010 - 13th - 14 pts

*McDermott took over from Tony Rea for Round 20 of 2006 and took the Harlequins from a then 9th to finish the Regular Rounds 7th.

Leeds had finished 2010 under McClennan in 4th - 35 pts

2011 - 5th - 31 pts
2012 - ?

There appears to be a pattern forming. I wonder if the Leeds CEO can make it out yet?
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:57 pm  
tvoc wrote:
Brian McDermott's record as a 1st Grade SL head-coach:

*2006 - 7th
2007 - 9th - 23 pts
2008 - 9th - 22 pts
2009 - 11th - 22 pts
2010 - 13th - 14 pts

*McDermott took over from Tony Rea for Round 20 of 2006 and took the Harlequins from a then 9th to finish the Regular Rounds 7th.

Leeds had finished 2010 under McClennan in 4th - 35 pts

2011 - 5th - 31 pts
2012 - ?

There appears to be a pattern forming. I wonder if the Leeds CEO can make it out yet?


A Decline would be the Logical Pattern TVOC.
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:15 pm  
Wait till Rhinos Feckkwitt (Keith Swiftcorn) joins this discussion....!!
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:19 pm  
tad rhino wrote:
Do you think a coach should see webbs indiscipline and sort it?
Or hardakers unsuitability on the left?
Or the lack of aggression in the pack?
Or the fact we miss a controlling hooker?

Every week its the same old problems with nothing solved. Dont you think a quality coach would have sorted this by now?


In fairness Webb has always been indisciplined, it's a problem many of our players have had, under Smith, McLennan and still under McDermott.

I think the OP made some fair points.
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:33 pm  
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What confidence do the reigning SL and World Club Champions acquire from beating Wakefield that they couldn't get from beating Manly?


By that logic why can't Lee Smith recapture his confidence and form from winning the Harry Sunderland trophy in 2008?

A winning run that gets all the players into positive habits is just as important in restoring confidence as reflecting on collective past achievements. The defeats to Wigan and Warrington will probably be looming larger at the back of the players' minds than the WCC at the moment.
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:49 pm  
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Sorry rhinowinorlose but I have a very sort attention span and your posts are far too long.

Is there an abridged version?

I rest my case from the second post on this thread.

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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:57 pm  
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I rest my case from the second post on this thread.

Fantastic.



I'm not stupid - just lazy.

What's your excuse?
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Re: The SHAMEFUL Treatment of Brian McDermott : Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:24 pm  
Hi everyone,

- ThePrinter - I agree, I don't think we can be saving ourselves for the second part of the season either, surely we can't be choosing to play badly! I think it's far too early for us to be thinking about next year (though I'm sure the Club are), but again I agree with you that if things remain as they are, it will become too tiring to be winning the league from 5th or below. In terms of this year, obviously 9th is well below par but if we win our game in hand next Monday we will go up to 8th and will only be 2 points below Saints in 4th. It's important not to forget as well that we've played most of our games to date away from home, and we've already played Wire, Wigan and Saints twice. I understand people looking towards Mac for an answer but like I say I really believe that it's desperation which is causing these performances, and I think only the players can choose to let go of this and crack on. The problem is that you can't just drop half the team because then you're not giving anyone a fair chance at winning the next game - not the young players coming through, nor the players you keep. I also think he's right to keep faith in some of the senior players who could click at any time.

- tvoc - I've been waiting for someone to mention London!! London was a completely different situation to what we have at Leeds; guys don't play for London because they want to play there, they play for London because they want to play rugby, the loyalty is just not the same. Nor did they have the salary cap budget that we have (that is not the case this year). The league standings alone do not tell the story of that particular season, and where I have cited previous standings I have tried to tell a bit more of a story of that season.
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