Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:08 am  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Have to disagree with you on second row. With Ward back fit he will be like a new signing and hopefully Ablett, who rarely strung a set of games together, back at it added to Ferres we have three international standard back rows right there. Keinhorst is good cover now too.

We have Sutcliffe in the transition stage to full back. May not work long term, but for now with him and Golding we are covered there. Props are a bit Meh i agree, but we have a full quota on our books for next year.

Assuming Sutcliffe is now a FB that just leaves McGuire and Lilley for the half back spots so this is the glaring hole that needs addressing.

The second row is an issue for me agree about Ward but I didn't see anything in Ferres to suggest he is anything special in fact the number of penalties he gives away is a serious negative. Ablett has been a great player but like JJB his best days are well behind him. Jimmy is average at best.

Anyone who thinks Sutcliffe can perform anything close to where Hardaker was in 2015 is mistaken - he isn't defensively in the same league, running with ball same better in the line yes but his negatives far out weight his positives to Hardaker c2015.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:10 am  

Apart from Suttcliffe can pass.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:37 am  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

Apart from Suttcliffe can pass.

As I said he will be better in the line

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:08 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

As I said he will be better in the line

He's better at busting the set line and getting through a gap.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:52 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

As I said he will be better in the line

Is that positive not good enough to outweigh his negatives, which I don't think are too bad at all. His defence he's a good size and speed and can tackle. He's looked fine under the high ball too. The one thing is obviously positioning but that I'm sure will improve with time and a pre-season under his belt learning this new position.

I doubt he'll ever be as good as Hardaker defensively but I still think he'll be good enough defensively.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:07 pm  

If he was playing for Wigan yes it would be but Leeds don't play that structured attacking style - can he break the line like Hardaker did?

Time will tell but it is a downgrade IMO - he is very inexperienced and the jury is still out

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:56 pm  

A full pre-season learning the position and a more settled side around him will be the key.

Lets not forget he's coming off the back of a very nasty knee injury and it took Disko nearly 2 years to get his sharpness back.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:02 pm  

Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino wrote:

A full pre-season learning the position and a more settled side around him will be the key.

Who is going to be his teacher to learn from?

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:04 pm  

Wrt Sutty he'll prove his worth imo either at FB or if he's moved back to 6.
Given an injury free run in a settled side i think he'll go on to be a quality player for us.
There are issues though we need at least 1 HB & a "linebreaking" Prop/SR.
Mags/Burrow are way past their best Lilley is still learning & our pack is carrying plenty of 30+'s on a downward injury prone spiral.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:06 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Who is going to be his teacher to learn from?

Depends on which way he wants to build himself out I suppose.

Attacking or defensive.

Though who he will learn the nuances from is a mystery. Youtube maybe?