Re: What a Very Nice Man : Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:41 pm  

ploinerrhino wrote:

Printer = one fact for you , if Sutty had not got injured Leeds would not have got anywhere near the treble in 2015 so for you to dismiss Sinfield as a bit part player is so wrong . Regarding 2016 , you can make as many excuses as you like but even taking some of the ridiculous ones on board no way should we have finished out of the top eight . your comment that seems to suggest once these problems diminished that we strolled the middle eights was down to mainly one person only , our hooker . As i have said on other threads the competition is so ordinary a quality halfback and a good coach would put us with as much chance as the other three that can win Super League {Wigan , Wire and Saints ]

I don't think he is dismissing Sinfield at all, just that it is quickly forgotten how
sinfield was well out of form first half of 2015 and it was Sutcliffe playing SO when we were playing champagne rugby at times and winning well until his injury.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:32 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

I don't think he is dismissing Sinfield at all, just that it is quickly forgotten how
sinfield was well out of form first half of 2015 and it was Sutcliffe playing SO when we were playing champagne rugby at times and winning well until his injury.

As opposed to 2016 when we were playing flat Tizer rugby.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:45 pm  

ploinerrhino wrote:

Printer = one fact for you , if Sutty had not got injured Leeds would not have got anywhere near the treble in 2015 so for you to dismiss Sinfield as a bit part player is so wrong.

No chance in hell would Sutcliffe have kept Sinfield out of the starting HB position come the big games, in fact he didn't. Sutcliffe started the several games before the Hudds cup game with Sinfield missing out or on the bench.....come the cup Sinfield in, Sutcliffe out (not injured). The week before the next cup game at Hull Sinfield was on the bench but then again so was Cuthbertson and Peacock (I.e saved for he following week). And Sutcliffe started that game at FB so he went with Burrow and McGuire in the halves.....but again come cup game Sinfield was in.

So no it's not fact that had Sutcliffe not been injured we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the treble.

Sinfield started only 10 of the 23 regular season games at HB and he didn't play that well in those opening 5 (Rounds 1-5 before injury) yet we still were first going into the Super 8's. So we actually can and did perform without him being too critical in terms of his on field performances.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:13 pm  

Norman Stanley Fletcher wrote:

As opposed to 2016 when we were playing flat Tizer rugby.

I was thinking more like a maturing puddle of P!$$...but close enough

[Frosties.]

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:40 pm  

What's interesting at the moment we current have 24 players signed up full time for next season (minus Hardaker, Hallas and Lilley(unconfirmed any deals in place yet). That to me is short, considering we are probably without Galloway for about 1/3 of it.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:58 am  

It is not only short in numbers its short on quality in key areas - half back, prop, full back and second row. The only place the team is really strong is three quarters and the one hooker

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:15 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It is not only short in numbers its short on quality in key areas - half back, prop, full back and second row. The only place the team is really strong is three quarters and the one hooker

Have to disagree with you on second row. With Ward back fit he will be like a new signing and hopefully Ablett, who rarely strung a set of games together, back at it added to Ferres we have three international standard back rows right there. Keinhorst is good cover now too.

We have Sutcliffe in the transition stage to full back. May not work long term, but for now with him and Golding we are covered there. Props are a bit Meh i agree, but we have a full quota on our books for next year.

Assuming Sutcliffe is now a FB that just leaves McGuire and Lilley for the half back spots so this is the glaring hole that needs addressing.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:28 am  

Its funny though isn't it, because virtually the same squad based on 2015 was seen by most as very strong. You'd say much weaker at fullback but also much stronger at hooker. So I guess the real question - particularly if not much happens on the recruitment front - is how many of the underperformers from last year can turn it around?

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:36 am  

I don't see us been that much weaker at fullback. Sutcliffe's catch/pass and kicking game, plus his improving goal kicking are light years infront of Hardaker, plus Sutty is far less of a liability off the field. Sutcliffe is a very solid defender. He can brake tackles and isn't slow.

I think Sutcliffe in his first season back from a shocker of an injury became any easy scapgote for venting fans. He wasn't given the time by fans or the club (due to injuries and form to find his feet again).

I think he's been treated very unfairly with many on this forum leading the witch hunt with pitch folks in hand.

Re: What a Very Nice Man : Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:58 am  

sgtwilko wrote:

I don't see us been that much weaker at fullback. Sutcliffe's catch/pass and kicking game, plus his improving goal kicking are light years infront of Hardaker, plus Sutty is far less of a liability off the field. Sutcliffe is a very solid defender. He can brake tackles and isn't slow.

I agree with that. Whilst still raw in that position I can see some potential in Sutcliffe at FB. Will he be as good defensively as Hardaker, no but I don't think he'll be fine in that department. The area that was Hardaker's weakness....ball in hand 20m away from the opposition line....I've already seen enough to suggest Sutcliffe will offer us much more there.

As long as they know they're going with him at FB and he can spend pre-season working on the role then I think he could turn out to be one of our best performers next year.