Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:51 pm  

Same on the TRL forum.Watkins is the reason England lost.

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:01 pm  

Head in hands...

Hope the guy sticks two fingers up and retires to concentrate on Leeds. Bunch of muppets can enjoy watching Bateman or a return of Atkins or Cudjoe ripping it up

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:04 pm  

Funny, because we were solid defensively on the right. Picking Watkins out is what happens when clueless f****wits are allowed to express their "opinions". Sarginson was hopeless, bombed our best chance to save the game but somehow it's all Watkins' fault.
The one Englishman you might reasonably place some blame on was prancing around in pink. I would love to hear what Robert Hicks does actually define as interference at the PTB. NZ killed the game at the tackle and ruck. We could generate zero momentum as Hicks let them lie on pretty much as long as they wanted. Every half break or drive near the NZ line was met with the most comically obvious lying on I've seen.

In reality someone really should have dropped a goal on 75 when we were right in front but that's the difference between a world class half and the average joe's we had on the pitch.

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:44 pm  

Watkins wasn't at his best today, but he wasn't England's worst player even though he did bomb a possible try from Mcgilvery's pass, Sarginson was poor there was two occasions he bombed two possible trys not passing to Hall first half and dropping the ball in second also thought Sam Burgess didn't perform too well thought his brothers had better go forward and he came up with two stupid offloads at crucial times also Widdop and Gale were poor kicking game especially but evening passing game Widdop through a interception and half of Gales passes went behind the man they were supposed too, on the positives though Hall another good game and great finish, Mcgilvery was solid and maybe England's mom, Burgess twins were good on their stints Lomax wasn't too bad,Hodgson was ok and Graham was consistent.

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:03 pm  

Watkins didn't bomb anything. The pass didn't go to him.

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:15 pm  

DHM wrote:

Watkins didn't bomb anything. The pass didn't go to him.

exactly, ball was over his shoulder and behind him it was a half chance at best. Some they stick some they don't it was hardly bombed. He had ball in hand once in space in the second period and got his winger away. He had nothing else but scraps to feed off yet his defence was solid as ever (although that is ignored by the lynch mob).

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:08 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

exactly, ball was over his shoulder and behind him it was a half chance at best. Some they stick some they don't it was hardly bombed. He had ball in hand once in space in the second period and got his winger away. He had nothing else but scraps to feed off yet his defence was solid as ever (although that is ignored by the lynch mob).

Actually I think Watkins could have done a little better, he was flying at full pace which put too much pressure on McGilverey to get his pass away, he had space to drop down to half speed and sprint for the corner when he had the ball. I know that seems harsh but I think a 10/10 Watkins would have scored.

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:50 pm  

leedsnsouths wrote:

Actually I think Watkins could have done a little better, he was flying at full pace which put too much pressure on McGilverey to get his pass away, he had space to drop down to half speed and sprint for the corner when he had the ball. I know that seems harsh but I think a 10/10 Watkins would have scored.

Probably but these are split second moments and it happened how it did. On another day he takes it in but it wasn't a gift like some are making out and any player in the world could have spilled that in that instance.

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:04 pm  

England may don't know how ti win aclose game. The chance was there to drop a goal in the last 10 but we went for amiracle play rather than the obvious drop goal

Overall England made a bucket lead if meters but had little cutting edge. NZ had fewer real chances but took points when on offer.

Johnson. Best player on the pitch today. Poor the bank whets he wanted to every time. Pretty much flawless. The contrast with the England halves was the difference

Re: Drop Goal Delight for Kiwis : Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:13 pm  

The Eagle wrote:

England may don't know how ti win aclose game. The chance was there to drop a goal in the last 10 but we went for amiracle play rather than the obvious drop goal

Overall England made a bucket lead if meters but had little cutting edge. NZ had fewer real chances but took points when on offer.

Johnson. Best player on the pitch today. Poor the bank whets he wanted to every time. Pretty much flawless. The contrast with the England halves was the difference

Spot on. 75th minute, right in front of the posts. One of the halves should sorted something and levelled the game.
Gayle didn't put up a single contestable high bomb the whole game, Widdop did a lot very well but his passing was laboured and predictable. However, I really believe our halves were robbed of momentum our forwards were winning because of the way NZ were allowed to slow the PTB to whatever pace they wanted.
Still two of NZ's tries just came from errors. An intercept and a badly missed tackle from Lomax.