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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:00 pm  
Agree on the lack of a line breaker in the pack, disagree on the injury prone tag. Delaney is injury prone. Jjb has a history but was fine last year. Galloways was a freak injury, as we're both of Wards, though the shoulder especially is something young forwards can struggle with (S Burgess had a similar problem at his age). Apart from that the rest are fine, and I think a lot of the knocks etc either don't come up or aren't talked about in a good year. You'll notice winning teams always have less injuries.

Worries for me injury wise are probably Mags, tho proper rest might fix that, as well as Briscoe who has has missed big chunks of the last 2 years.
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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:32 pm  
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Cuthbertson & Garbutt still picked up injuries ,given Galloways age & type of injury there's nothing to suggest he'll come back 100% either & IF he does albeit a workhorse he's hardly a world beater at Prop.
Ferres was still injured & selected Delaney is in pieces yet gets selected Jjb is injured on a regular basis & i'll bet he & BD are 1 heavy knock from retirement.
Ablett is picking up regular injuries & they are becoming more long term Wards issues are well known so id say our injury prone pack is exactly that & still lacks a quality line breaker.


Yes Garbutt, Cuthbertson & Ferres missed some games through injury but it wasn't many at all and must've featured in around 80% of our games.......hardly injury prone, forwards are going to miss the odd few can't expect your whole pack to stay fit week in week out, no club will.

JJB came back in Round 5 and didn't miss a game after that so he wasn't injured on a regular basis last year.

Ablett didn't pick up regular injuries, it was the reoccurring one with his ankle that we didn't let properly heal before bringing him back.

Galloway might not be a world beater but neither is the opposition we'll be facing. After a slow start he was a decent performer most weeks and whilst Garbutt is the big metre maker, Cuthbertson the offloading ball playing forward and Singleton the energy in the props, Galloway rounds off a good quartet of props with his solid if unspectacular showings. As a quartet it's arguably better than the previous one of Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey & Kirke because it's more of a shared workload compared to the one that relied so heavily on Peacock.

Delaney is truely the only one who picks up various injuries that keep him out for noticeable periods and he's now looking like a squad player with a potential starting backrow of Ablett, Ward & Ferres (and even JJB ahead of Delaney) then it's not like we'll be trying to get the same usage out of him.
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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:53 pm  
Ablett has had regular ankle & hip injuries ,Jjb has been injured on a regular basis over the last few seasons & over-played.
Delaney would have been put down 2yrs ago if he was a race horse & Ward has had injuries including 2 huge ones since breaking through.
Then we have the way they are utilised i'll stick with my original opinion that they are injury prone.
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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:37 am  
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Ablett has had regular ankle & hip injuries ,Jjb has been injured on a regular basis over the last few seasons & over-played.
Delaney would have been put down 2yrs ago if he was a race horse & Ward has had injuries including 2 huge ones since breaking through.
Then we have the way they are utilised i'll stick with my original opinion that they are injury prone.


We will need three of them four to stay fit... infact, i would go as far as including Ferres too and say four out five of those to stay fit for most of season for us to be challenging again. We do have to hope for a bit of luck in this regard.
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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:23 am  
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We will need three of them four to stay fit... infact, i would go as far as including Ferres too and say four out five of those to stay fit for most of season for us to be challenging again. We do have to hope for a bit of luck in this regard.

Completely agree BT we do need some luck wrt injuries but id aldo hope after all the off season rhetoric we dont see busted/knackered players on the pitch ever again either especially when there are bench/squad options.
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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:34 pm  
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our outside backs are better than anyone , our forwards are as good as anyone , we may struggle at full back but where we are desperate is half back and coach .


Aye that's why you were SL whipping boys

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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:47 pm  
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Reason we were whipping boys was because we tried squeezing in our normal pre season into a 3 week shorter period....and then lost more weeks due to the floods. Will be funny next year when we are back challenging and people need to u-turn on how doomed we were.
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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:27 pm  
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Rather one season of that than being the GF whipping boys

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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:56 pm  
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Ablett has had regular ankle & hip injuries ,Jjb has been injured on a regular basis over the last few seasons & over-played.
Delaney would have been put down 2yrs ago if he was a race horse & Ward has had injuries including 2 huge ones since breaking through.
Then we have the way they are utilised i'll stick with my original opinion that they are injury prone.


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Re: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos : Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:16 pm  
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Without a top quality HB & an ageing injury prone pack?
Not much of a chance imo of a top 4 spot.

We have a top quality HB, the most successful playing in SL right now. In fact we have 2.

If we can keep a spine of Golding, Sutcliffe, McGuire, Segayaro/Burrow. We will be definitely be in with a good shot of 4th. We can even lose one with Burrow and Lilley in reserve.

If we end up going without a couple of them for a long period of time, we will probably struggle to get there.
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