Re: Priti Patel : Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:45 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Indeed - the new default of Tories and their supporters.

And the deflecting position of the Corbynists - it all the Tories fault they behave far worse than their Labour counterparts

The problem for the left is the facts don't support their argument that the morals/abilities of the lefty MP are any better than those on the right.

As the saying goes "don't let the facts get in the way"

The lady in Iran was already in prison well before Boris opened his mouth - how did that happen?

Ivan Lewis, Clive Lewis, Kelvin Hopkins, the gentleman involved with Bex Bailey, the MPW who sadly killed himself all Labour but you consider these OK to continue in their role

I would suggest your moral compass is clouded by your politics.

[Bullseye]

Re: Priti Patel : Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:04 pm  

Don't over exaggerate or anything will you Sal!

Point is that Boris buggered it up and is now playing catch up but a British subject is likely to have her sentence increased because he can't remember or be bothered to read his brief.

Like his distasteful remarks about "clearing away the bodies" in Libya he's far too keen on being flippant and playing to the gallery. Not good enough for a Foreign Secretary. Had May not had Brexit to deal with he'd be nowhere near the cabinet.

Re: Priti Patel : Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:24 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Ivan Lewis, Clive Lewis, Kelvin Hopkins, the gentleman involved with Bex Bailey, the MPW who sadly killed himself all Labour but you consider these OK to continue in their role

Further whataboutery; try this - if I murder you, will it carry any weight if I say to the judge, "yes I did brutally murder Sal Paradise - but what about Peter Sutcliffe? Dr Harold Shipman? HITLER?!"

And fwiw, I agree that any MP who is found to have breached the ministerial code or behaved in a way that is contrary to the principles of public life should be dealt with - and I hope they all are, regardless of party affiliation.

Re: Priti Patel : Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:35 am  

bren2k wrote:

Further whataboutery; try this - if I murder you, will it carry any weight if I say to the judge, "yes I did brutally murder Sal Paradise - but what about Peter Sutcliffe? Dr Harold Shipman? HITLER?!"

And fwiw, I agree that any MP who is found to have breached the ministerial code or behaved in a way that is contrary to the principles of public life should be dealt with - and I hope they all are, regardless of party affiliation.

At last

Shame you didn't say that at the outset - would you not agree. Making cheap shots at one particular party leaves you open to having to clarify your position at a later date. Would have saved us a couple of defensive/deflective posts.

Re: Priti Patel : Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:30 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

At last

Shame you didn't say that at the outset - would you not agree. Making cheap shots at one particular party leaves you open to having to clarify your position at a later date. Would have saved us a couple of defensive/deflective posts.

Nice try - but you don't get to claim that as a win; the subject under discussion was Priti Patel, and it then moved to Johnson - you attempted to apologise for them by citing examples of Labour MP's who might be equally unfit for office, which is faulty logic, and has become so common in the modern political discourse, that it has its own descriptor; whataboutery.

So no - I haven't had to clarify my position, or be defensive; I was talking about the issue under discussion - you weren't.

Re: Priti Patel : Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:18 pm  

Got to love the lefty loonies and their pathetic ramblings...

Re: Priti Patel : Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:42 am  

bren2k wrote:

Nice try - but you don't get to claim that as a win; the subject under discussion was Priti Patel, and it then moved to Johnson - you attempted to apologise for them by citing examples of Labour MP's who might be equally unfit for office, which is faulty logic, and has become so common in the modern political discourse, that it has its own descriptor; whataboutery.

So no - I haven't had to clarify my position, or be defensive; I was talking about the issue under discussion - you weren't.

You were highlighting certain Tory MPs for behaviour/incompetence which you deemed unacceptable - I agree with that. What you didn't do initially but did clarify later is that behaviour of this nature is not the preserve of the Tories but widespread across all parties. All I suggested is rather than attack the Tories you suggested have suggested that behaviour of this nature is unacceptable regardless of which party is involved - something you clarified later.

Boris and Patel maybe be a bafoons but they are amateus in comparison to the likes of Comrades Corbyn and Livingstone in terms of behaviours unbecoming to a person in a position of responsibility.

[Bullseye]

Re: Priti Patel : Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:33 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Boris and Patel maybe be a bafoons but they are amateus in comparison to the likes of Comrades Corbyn and Livingstone in terms of behaviours unbecoming to a person in a position of responsibility.

Disagree.

Re: Priti Patel : Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:08 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Disagree.

It all about opinions - both Livingstone and Corbyn have befriended some very undesirable individuals in their time and the some of the people that were employed within London under Livingstone were shall we say perhaps not the best choice for the roles that that were given.

Re: Priti Patel : Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:39 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

It all about opinions - both Livingstone and Corbyn have befriended some very undesirable individuals in their time and the some of the people that were employed within London under Livingstone were shall we say perhaps not the best choice for the roles that that were given.

The anti-British, anti-White Communist Corbyn would probably make Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi his first guest of honour if he ever made it into No.10. God forbid.

His record as a terrorist sympathiser and apologist is staggering. Likewise his muppet deputy, Abbott.

What's also worth nothing is Corbyn has toned down his beliefs and goals in the name of winning votes and naive snowflake students/lefties are lapping it up. If he ever gets in you'll soon see his true colours.