Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 4:34 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

UKIP say they would take passports off anyone travelling to countries such as libya, one way ticket not to return... especially if they are being watched by security services too

can anyone not agree with this?! should be in every parties manifesto.

"Countries such as Libya"?

Can we have a list of all the countries to which you'd ban any travel, then?

What if the sneaky blighters go to somewhere you don't dislike as much first, and make their way to Libya (or any other country on your list) from there without telling anybody?

Not sure you've thought this through, even ignoring the impossibility of refusing re-admission to a British citizen - can you explain exactly how that could actually work?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 5:32 pm  

DGM wrote:

Will Paul Nuttall be sat at the immigration desk in Tripoli chucking passports into a fire? On a serious note, how can they legally not let UK nationals back in the country?

Suspects arrested & questioned upon their return to the UK would be an obvious step, but you can't render a person stateless.

well thats it, you change the legal system to do just that....

the government has to protect its citizens

but the 'human rights' of these people tend to always win so we will seeing another attack somewhere

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 5:34 pm  

tigertot wrote:

So people cannot visit relatives, friends, do humanitarian work or academic research?

not if they are on a watch list and under suspicion.

whats more important ?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 5:35 pm  

DGM wrote:

Brearley is a UKIP fanboy, laps up anything they say. He was throwing loads of random statements out during the referendum, offering zero reasoning or insight.

didnt vote for them

but they do seem to strike a cord with alot of people on somethings, not all, like every party

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 5:37 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Sadly, no. This is a matter of national security and as Brearley rightly imo pointed out, should be in every Party manifesto.

people will go on a march against trump entering the uk but cant be organise to go on a march to get out government to act ... just carry on and have a stiff upper lip they say...till next time

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 5:40 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

"Countries such as Libya"?

Can we have a list of all the countries to which you'd ban any travel, then?

What if the sneaky blighters go to somewhere you don't dislike as much first, and make their way to Libya (or any other country on your list) from there without telling anybody?

Not sure you've thought this through, even ignoring the impossibility of refusing re-admission to a British citizen - can you explain exactly how that could actually work?

iran, sudan, syria, iraq... it would be a start.

said elsewhere we have thousands on a watch list

wont totally stop an attack but the government needs to start somewhere

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu May 25, 2017 6:05 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

iran, sudan, syria, iraq... it would be a start.

said elsewhere we have thousands on a watch list

wont totally stop an attack but the government needs to start somewhere

They need to stop bombing and selling weapons to these places for a start. Then start looking at other options. I'd be quite keen to know how much evidence these on the "Watch List" require before we act. Surely a known, reported extremist travelling to Libya and back is alarm bells?

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 26, 2017 7:29 am  

brearley84 wrote:

well thats it, you change the legal system to do just that....

the government has to protect its citizens

but the 'human rights' of these people tend to always win so we will seeing another attack somewhere

You really don't have a clue, do you?

People are rightly angry and searching for reasons and solutions, but what you're suggesting is not possible within International Law. We can make laws for what to do when they get back to the UK, but you can't deny a UK National entry back into the UK, nor can a person be rendered stateless.

One of the main factors is the huge cuts the police have faced over the past few years, despite the Home Secretary at the time (Theresa May) being warned a number of times by experts in the field that it'd leave us less safe. That's something the Government can and could have changed, but didn't.

We're also, as a couple of posters have pointed out to you, we're openly selling weapons to regimes that are exporting and backing jihadists. Then there are the historical issues around us meddling, bombing and fighting in the region for the past 100 years.

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 26, 2017 12:34 pm  

DGM wrote:

You really don't have a clue, do you?

People are rightly angry and searching for reasons and solutions, but what you're suggesting is not possible within International Law. We can make laws for what to do when they get back to the UK, but you can't deny a UK National entry back into the UK, nor can a person be rendered stateless.

One of the main factors is the huge cuts the police have faced over the past few years, despite the Home Secretary at the time (Theresa May) being warned a number of times by experts in the field that it'd leave us less safe. That's something the Government can and could have changed, but didn't.

We're also, as a couple of posters have pointed out to you, we're openly selling weapons to regimes that are exporting and backing jihadists. Then there are the historical issues around us meddling, bombing and fighting in the region for the past 100 years.

I think the notion that cutting back on policing has directly resulted in this is flawed. France has had far more attacks than the UK and far worse they haven't cut their police numbers.

Re: General Election 8th June : Fri May 26, 2017 12:48 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I think the notion that cutting back on policing has directly resulted in this is flawed. France has had far more attacks than the UK and far worse they haven't cut their police numbers.

"Directly resulted" aren't the words I used.

Many experts called out the Home Secretary over the cuts to the police at the time and said we'd be a lot less safer as a result.

It's not too difficult to imagine that if you devote less resource into preventing terrorism and catching the perpetrators, then there's more chance of something like this happening.