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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:56 am
Posted by Bullseye on Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:56 am
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ideological obsession


It's what's got us into this mess.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:38 am
Posted by bren2k on Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:38 am
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Bullseye wrote:
It's what's got us into this mess.


Not entirely - there's also the small matter of self-interested disaster capitalists, creating the conditions in which *they* can thrive, whilst insulating themselves from the ill effects on ordinary people; the 99% of us who don't have the luxury of offshore investments, tax havens and non-dom status. Rees-Mogg, Farage, Banks, Mr May - these people are the tip of the iceberg.
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:33 am
Posted by Backwoodsman on Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:33 am
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bren2k wrote:
Bullseye wrote:
It's what's got us into this mess.


Not entirely - there's also the small matter of self-interested disaster capitalists, creating the conditions in which *they* can thrive, whilst insulating themselves from the ill effects on ordinary people; the 99% of us who don't have the luxury of offshore investments, tax havens and non-dom status. Rees-Mogg, Farage, Banks, Mr May - these people are the tip of the iceberg.

I think you will find that under the British voting system your so called disaster capitalist has one vote, as does the unemployed person. Also the person on minimum wage has one vote. A large portion of the leave vote came from people who felt let down by the political system. They witnessed immigration into this country never seen before in modern time. Thus creating a vast army of cheap labour. Obviously wages for the unfortunates at the lower end of the labour market are suppressed ,ironically by the so called disaster capitalists. The fat cats of Britain certainly don’t want us to leave the eu that could potentially create a labour shortage. It may even force up wages above the minimum wage. Wonder which way mike Ashley voted, but I think we can guess. He seems to have done remarkably well out of our membership of the eu.
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:41 am
Posted by bren2k on Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:41 am
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Backwoodsman wrote:
I think you will find that under the British voting system your so called disaster capitalist has one vote, as does the unemployed person. Also the person on minimum wage has one vote. A large portion of the leave vote came from people who felt let down by the political system. They witnessed immigration into this country never seen before in modern time. Thus creating a vast army of cheap labour. Obviously wages for the unfortunates at the lower end of the labour market are suppressed ,ironically by the so called disaster capitalists. The fat cats of Britain certainly don’t want us to leave the eu that could potentially create a labour shortage. It may even force up wages above the minimum wage. Wonder which way mike Ashley voted, but I think we can guess. He seems to have done remarkably well out of our membership of the eu.


Get a grip - are you suggesting for one minute that the people I listed just turned up and voted Leave? Or were they by any chance front and centre in the Leave campaign, as well as conducting skulduggery in the background to whip up anti-EU sentiment - largely by convincing great swathes of already angry and disenfranchised people that all their troubles would evaporate if only it weren't for those bloody immigrants?
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:08 am
Posted by Backwoodsman on Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:08 am
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Get a grip - are you suggesting for one minute that the people I listed just turned up and voted Leave? Or were they by any chance front and centre in the Leave campaign, as well as conducting skulduggery in the background to whip up anti-EU sentiment - largely by convincing great swathes of already angry and disenfranchised people that all their troubles would evaporate if only it weren't for those bloody immigrants?

Simple question to you, our population due to us having no control of our borders to eu citizens is rapidly approaching the population of France. Obviously France is a far larger country than ours. Please give me a figure that you think will indicate that we are full up. Or do you think we can carry on with this madness.
I see more dirt poor Eastern European are in the process of joining. And why not, can’t blame them ,access to free health care and housing etc etc.
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:14 am
Posted by bren2k on Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:14 am
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This is a circular argument - I've posted several times the evidence that EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy; I don't fancy going around it all over again.

I would be interested to hear your view of the revelations about Leave EU and it's illegal activity and links to Cambridge Analytica, and the latest story about Arron Banks, Nigel Farage and the Russian ambassador; or the Private Eye expose on Jacob Rees-Mogg and his recently created Dublin based investment vehicle, specifically designed to insulate his wealthy investors (and him) from the effects of Brexit?

These people are shamelessly self-interested - you've been duped.
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:43 am
Posted by Backwoodsman on Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:43 am
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bren2k wrote:
This is a circular argument - I've posted several times the evidence that EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy; I don't fancy going around it all over again.

I would be interested to hear your view of the revelations about Leave EU and it's illegal activity and links to Cambridge Analytica, and the latest story about Arron Banks, Nigel Farage and the Russian ambassador; or the Private Eye expose on Jacob Rees-Mogg and his recently created Dublin based investment vehicle, specifically designed to insulate his wealthy investors (and him) from the effects of Brexit?

These people are shamelessly self-interested - you've been duped.

All fake news, next country to join eu is Albania. Negotiations well underway, average wage over in that bastion of democracy is approximately £1.60 per hour. You still haven’t answered my question, you obviously believe in free movement within the eu so what population figure do you think enough is enough.
Reference Arron banks, after wiping the floor with the House of Commons select comitee he is sorting out that Belgian popinjay.
The architects of this mass controlled immigration is Tony Blair and Peter mandleson. Both at the outset had virtually no money whatsoever. Mandelson had to borrow money in dubious circumstances to find a deposit for his fancy London Town house. Let’s not forget kinnock in all this, after gifting the tories an election labour should have won he jumped on the eu gravy train. Conveniently taking along his wife .
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:45 am
Posted by bren2k on Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:45 am
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Backwoodsman wrote:
All fake news.


Thank you - end of discussion.
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:51 am
Posted by Backwoodsman on Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:51 am
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bren2k wrote:
Thank you - end of discussion.

I’m still waiting for my answer.
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Post Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:05 pm
Posted by bren2k on Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:05 pm
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I believe in FoM yes; but with a government that can actually be arsed to implement the powers it already has to exercise sensible limits - as I've said many times before. The details are nicely summarised here.

Your turn - and if you say 'fake news' - I'm blocking you.
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