Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:02 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

You bark constantly about Thatcher and manufacturing, you're a stuck record at 75rpm. Open your eyes and see the MODERN world, Labour had their shot and just spiralled into more debt.

Thatcher destroyed (gave away) the majority of the nations social housing stock, which isn't even open to debate.
Labour didn't do too much about it during their "reign" and the coalition followed by the current Tory govenment are also doing little, meanwhile we pay substantial sums to claimants towards their housing costs !!

Come on then hot shot, tell me about the modern world, i literally cant wait and please do all the work yourself, without hiding behind other people's comments.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:14 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Thatcher destroyed (gave away) the majority of the nations social housing stock, which isn't even open to debate.
Labour didn't do too much about it during their "reign" and the coalition followed by the current Tory govenment are also doing little, meanwhile we pay substantial sums to claimants towards their housing costs !!

Come on then hot shot, tell me about the modern world, i literally cant wait and please do all the work yourself, without hiding behind other people's comments.

Nothing was given away, it was sold to people with aspiration, not those who haven't worked for years and think the world owes them something, out of interest, how old are you, something like 65+ from a Northern former pit/mill town?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:10 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Nothing was given away, it was sold to people with aspiration, not those who haven't worked for years and think the world owes them something, out of interest, how old are you, something like 65+ from a Northern former pit/mill town?

Yes they were sold, very cheaply (hence the "given away" comment and this was done deliberately to try and rid the country of housing for the less well off AND it was done, not to help aspirational people but, to encourage a number of people who would usually vote Labour, to vote in the opposite direction AND, it destroyed the stock of social housing.
The stock had taken 50 years to build up (the time since the end of the second world war) and just a couple of years to decimate, a position which still remains.
I'm not 65+ but you may be less than the total of the 2 numbers.

There was a promise, at the time, to use the receipts, from the mass sell off, to build new social housing and if the sale, as was said at the time, was to free up money to build new stock, why did it not happen.
Barely a brick was used in the remainder of the Thatcher era, mind you we were in "boom time" all paid for on the "never never", a bubble that began to burst at the end of Labours time in office and we all know what happened there.

If it's not your school holidays, perhaps you could ask your economics/history teacher to explain.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:07 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Yes they were sold, very cheaply (hence the "given away" comment and this was done deliberately to try and rid the country of housing for the less well off AND it was done, not to help aspirational people but, to encourage a number of people who would usually vote Labour, to vote in the opposite direction AND, it destroyed the stock of social housing.
The stock had taken 50 years to build up (the time since the end of the second world war) and just a couple of years to decimate, a position which still remains.
I'm not 65+ but you may be less than the total of the 2 numbers.

There was a promise, at the time, to use the receipts, from the mass sell off, to build new social housing and if the sale, as was said at the time, was to free up money to build new stock, why did it not happen.
Barely a brick was used in the remainder of the Thatcher era, mind you we were in "boom time" all paid for on the "never never", a bubble that began to burst at the end of Labours time in office and we all know what happened there.

If it's not your school holidays, perhaps you could ask your economics/history teacher to explain.

Capital receipts from sales were NEVER promised to be reinvested. You seem to think belittling people makes you look clever, it doesn't, it exposes you for what you are.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:42 am  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

Capital receipts from sales were NEVER promised to be reinvested. You seem to think belittling people makes you look clever, it doesn't, it exposes you for what you are.

Sorry, but you are wrong.
Although the "pitch" for selling off social housing was "to increase home ownership for aspirational families", it was like you had copied and pasted your previous answer from the Daily Mail website, the monies raised, although not all of it, were supposed to be used to replace the stock of social housing.
Indeed, under Camerons re-vamped scheme, there was a commitment for a one for one replacement, which, surprisingly hasn't happened and going back to the original point, this is part of the reason why we (the tax payer) pay huge rental subsidies for some benefit claimants.

"The commitment to build a replacement for every social rented home sold through the Right to Buy scheme is not being fulfilled in London, just as across the country. In 13 boroughs there have been exactly no replacement homes built for the 2,877 social rented homes sold."

Over 2 million homes have been sold since the introduction of the original scheme with only a small fraction replaced and we wonder why there are so many homeless people and a general shortage of social housing available for the less well off.

Have another look and come back with a proper answer.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:13 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Sorry, but you are wrong.
Although the "pitch" for selling off social housing was "to increase home ownership for aspirational families", it was like you had copied and pasted your previous answer from the Daily Mail website, the monies raised, although not all of it, were supposed to be used to replace the stock of social housing.
Indeed, under Camerons re-vamped scheme, there was a commitment for a one for one replacement, which, surprisingly hasn't happened and going back to the original point, this is part of the reason why we (the tax payer) pay huge rental subsidies for some benefit claimants.

"The commitment to build a replacement for every social rented home sold through the Right to Buy scheme is not being fulfilled in London, just as across the country. In 13 boroughs there have been exactly no replacement homes built for the 2,877 social rented homes sold."

Over 2 million homes have been sold since the introduction of the original scheme with only a small fraction replaced and we wonder why there are so many homeless people and a general shortage of social housing available for the less well off.

Have another look and come back with a proper answer.

No, the monies were never promised (certainly from what I have read), and Labour did nothing to change it. As said before, successive governments had chance to change the scheme if they wanted to. But this has nothing to do with Article 50...

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:12 pm  

I'll tell you about the modern world. It is summed up in microcosm by the doctor getting dragged off the United Airlines flight by police because the airline overbooked the flight by virtue of it deciding it wanted 4 seats for its own employees. Basically, large, faceless money-grabbing companies are aided by the instruments of the state to the detriment of individuals.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:16 pm  

Dally wrote:

I'll tell you about the modern world. It is summed up in microcosm by the doctor getting dragged off the United Airlines flight by police because the airline overbooked the flight by virtue of it deciding it wanted 4 seats for its own employees. Basically, large, faceless money-grabbing companies are aided by the instruments of the state to the detriment of individuals.

You mean the Doctor that was disruptive?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:28 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

You mean the Doctor that was disruptive?

Was he disruptive before he was told that his seat had been sold or, whilst being dragged off the plane

[Durham Giant]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (2) : Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:03 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

You mean the Doctor that was disruptive?

The only person who thought that was the CEO of the airline.

Neither the witnesses or the evidence support that point of view