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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:50 am
Posted by Cronus on Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:50 am
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Does anyone actually believe that we will end up with the Brexit deal, thay May & Co seem to be dreaming about ?

Free trade with the EU
No hard border in Ireland
Bespoke customs union
Free to establish our own trade deals with the rest of the world

The Tories appear to be on the brink of civil war and Labour, god help us.

Of course we're not going to get everything we would want in a perfect world. As I've said since the beginning - a deal will be reached that is reasonably good for all concerned. We'll probably see some trade tariffs but anything punitive would also damage the EU. This is precisely why the terms 'hard' and 'soft' Brexit are utterly meaningless: both sides simply want the best they can agree and the deal will be whatever it ends up being.

We're leaving the customs union - this has been made clear - the EU's stance has always been that any customs union means ceding to EU rules and that's what we're moving away from. There's a slim chance some bespoke union could be agreed but I think it's unlikely given the EU's dogged insistence on retaining power.

The only ones making a massive fuss of every single syllable uttered by every single Tory says are the press. People within every party have differing views, always have, always will. Look at Labour if you want true bitter division and confusion (Momentum anyone?) - I'm not even sure most Labour MPs know what line they're supposed to be following. Fact is, it doesn't really matter what Bojo or Hammond or anyone else says - Davis (and his team) and May are the voices that matter and despite the daily doom-mongering of the press, things are progressing.

For me the only true sticking point is the border with Eire and oil be fecked if I can figure out how they're gonna sort it. Some form of soft border is inevitable I suspect, but whether that's at the NI/Eire border, or the NI or even Eire sea/air borders I don't know. The rest will be thrashed out and agreed in due course.

I feel it's only right to reference this Economist article again for a possible snapshot of what we can look forward to. Rising wages, more job opportunities, lower unemployment, house and rental prices increasing at a more reasonable pace due to a less frantic demand, lower end wages up by 9% - even some teenagers being paid above minimum wage. Exactly the reverse of some of the big issues surrounding freedom of movement.
Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:31 pm
Posted by wrencat1873 on Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:31 pm
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Cronus wrote:

I feel it's only right to reference this Economist article again for a possible snapshot of what we can look forward to. Rising wages, more job opportunities, lower unemployment, house and rental prices increasing at a more reasonable pace due to a less frantic demand, lower end wages up by 9% - even some teenagers being paid above minimum wage. Exactly the reverse of some of the big issues surrounding freedom of movement.


Talk of rising wages, post Brexit, is an extremely interesting thought, when pretty much all of the "models" indicated the exact opposite and more job opportunities is laughable.
IF the economy is likely to be squeezed and again, most indicators seem to suggest this, exactly where are these opportunities come from ?
As regards " some teenagers being paid above minimum wage", this already happens in certain sectors, it will have rock all to do with being out of the EU.
Again, our ruling party have seemed to revel in austerity cuts, something which is embedded within their DNA and there will be no loosening of the purse strings just because we have left the EU.
Wages will rise in a strong vibrant economy and despite our "record employment" numbers, our economy is not strong (or, stable) and will be less so, post Brexit.
IIRC, even you suggested this would be a price worth paying to rid ourselves of the faceless EU bureaucrats.

THe article is certainly an interesting snap shot of Northern life, a town where house prices are somewhat higher than other parts of Yorkshire and generally having a more aged population and I would suggest this is not representative of other Northern towns, never mind a fair representation of what may be coming our way.

Feeling like mystic meg, the BBC have this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42977967

Harrogate may be loving their over 50's all white population and paying its few young people a relatively decent wage but, Harrogate isn't even representative of North Yorkshire, never mind the rest of the country.
Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:47 pm
Posted by The Devil's Advocate on Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:47 pm
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:15 pm
Posted by wrencat1873 on Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:15 pm
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Indeed and with out "London centric" government, they are sure to balance any economic help into the areas most in need.
Maybe project fear had an element of truth in their speil ?
Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:53 pm
Posted by King Street Cat on Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:53 pm
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To repeat an earlier question... At what point will the riots start?
Even Custer couldn't muster a stampede like this.
Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:06 pm
Posted by tigertot on Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:06 pm
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Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:26 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:26 am
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King Street Cat wrote:
To repeat an earlier question... At what point will the riots start?


The Kaiser Chiefs have been predicting this for some time now.
It's not a riot that we need, it's a revolution, that will bring about a much fairer distribution of wealth.

Mike Betts, Chief exec of the CHARITY Mobility is getting £1.7 million pa.
£1.7 million is pretty excessive for any chief exec but, to run a charity, is fecking scandalous.

Where on earth did this become acceptable.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:23 pm
Posted by King Street Cat on Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:23 pm
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wrencat1873 wrote:
It's not a riot that we need, it's a revolution


Kind of what I was hinting at.

I've been predicting it's been on its way for a few years now. My mates always used to laugh it off, now they're not so sure.

There's a reason millionaires live in gated properties, there's a reason multi-millionaires are building panic rooms and underground accommodation, there's a reason multi-billionaires are living on their own islands, and there's a reason the government are unable to commit to what to do about Brexit.
Even Custer couldn't muster a stampede like this.
Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:14 pm
Posted by Kosh on Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:14 pm
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Cronus wrote:
Of course we're not going to get everything we would want in a perfect world. As I've said since the beginning - a deal will be reached that is reasonably good for all concerned. We'll probably see some trade tariffs but anything punitive would also damage the EU. This is precisely why the terms 'hard' and 'soft' Brexit are utterly meaningless: both sides simply want the best they can agree and the deal will be whatever it ends up being.

We're leaving the customs union - this has been made clear - the EU's stance has always been that any customs union means ceding to EU rules and that's what we're moving away from. There's a slim chance some bespoke union could be agreed but I think it's unlikely given the EU's dogged insistence on retaining power.

The only ones making a massive fuss of every single syllable uttered by every single Tory says are the press. People within every party have differing views, always have, always will. Look at Labour if you want true bitter division and confusion (Momentum anyone?) - I'm not even sure most Labour MPs know what line they're supposed to be following. Fact is, it doesn't really matter what Bojo or Hammond or anyone else says - Davis (and his team) and May are the voices that matter and despite the daily doom-mongering of the press, things are progressing.

For me the only true sticking point is the border with Eire and oil be fecked if I can figure out how they're gonna sort it. Some form of soft border is inevitable I suspect, but whether that's at the NI/Eire border, or the NI or even Eire sea/air borders I don't know. The rest will be thrashed out and agreed in due course.

I feel it's only right to reference this Economist article again for a possible snapshot of what we can look forward to. Rising wages, more job opportunities, lower unemployment, house and rental prices increasing at a more reasonable pace due to a less frantic demand, lower end wages up by 9% - even some teenagers being paid above minimum wage. Exactly the reverse of some of the big issues surrounding freedom of movement.

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Re: Brexit Anyone? (2)
Post Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:09 pm
Posted by Lebron James on Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:09 pm
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Thankyou to all you brexiteers. I just got less than 1.1 for my Euros for my holiday. I guess its a small price to pay to get the foreginers out of our country eh

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