Re: Blair comeback? : Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:27 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

Hey Dr House, by "in my experience" do you mean "what the daily mail tells me" because unless you work the floors in a&e you have absolutely no room to talk

Regards

King James

No I mean on visits to A&E. Northwick Park, North London was unbelievable - huge number with apparently minor ailments. Also our local hospital has "native Brits" generally admitted to "resuss."with serious problems and a waiting area of non-natives, a small percentage of which only seem to get admitted (ie non-emergency).

Re: Blair comeback? : Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:43 pm  

Dally wrote:

No I mean on visits to A&E. Northwick Park, North London was unbelievable - huge number with apparently minor ailments. Also our local hospital has "native Brits" generally admitted to "resuss."with serious problems and a waiting area of non-natives, a small percentage of which only seem to get admitted (ie non-emergency).

How are you identifying "non-Brits" ?

Native Brits generally admitted to "resuss".
What percentage of A & E patients do you think go to "resus", never mind their creed or colour ?
Personally, I'm staggered that you know what all these people are in A & E for.

My Mrs works in the NHS and your comments are distasteful and bordering on racist and if you seriously are saying that native Brits dont waste the time of the NHS, you are living in a bubble.
The population of North London is pretty diverse and to to be able to identify "native Brits" and "non natives", you must be some kind of psychic.
Once again, your post is literally unbelievable on many different levels

Re: Blair comeback? : Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:40 pm  

Dally wrote:

No I mean on visits to A&E. Northwick Park, North London was unbelievable - huge number with apparently minor ailments. Also our local hospital has "native Brits" generally admitted to "resuss."with serious problems and a waiting area of non-natives, a small percentage of which only seem to get admitted (ie non-emergency).

Put a sock in it you daft old racist.

Re: Blair comeback? : Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:10 am  

Dally wrote:

No I mean on visits to A&E. Northwick Park, North London was unbelievable - huge number with apparently minor ailments. Also our local hospital has "native Brits" generally admitted to "resuss."with serious problems and a waiting area of non-natives, a small percentage of which only seem to get admitted (ie non-emergency).

Horrendous, ignorant comments. Bigot.

Re: Blair comeback? : Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:03 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

your comments are distasteful and bordering on racist

Welcome to post-Brexit Britain, where facts are an annoying inconvenience, experts are to be ridiculed and casual racism is perfectly acceptable in polite conversation.

Re: Blair comeback? : Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:41 pm  

Dally wrote:

No I mean on visits to A&E. Northwick Park, North London was unbelievable - huge number with apparently minor ailments. Also our local hospital has "native Brits" generally admitted to "resuss."with serious problems and a waiting area of non-natives, a small percentage of which only seem to get admitted (ie non-emergency).

You are lying. You are just making things up. How do you know they were all minor ailments? You dont.

Regards

King James

Re: Blair comeback? : Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:03 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

You are lying. You are just making things up. How do you know they were all minor ailments? You dont.

Regards

King James

Aside from the guy with the gun shot wound and our family member nodody else had any sign of physical injury or was showing signs of distress / pain. Now I may be know doctor but they are usual in people who should be going to A and E. The clue is in the name.

Re: Blair comeback? : Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:11 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

You are lying. You are just making things up. How do you know they were all minor ailments? You dont.

Regards

King James

Aside from the guy with the gun shot wound and our family member nodody else had any sign of physical injury or was showing signs of distress / pain. Now I may be know doctor but they are usual in people who should be going to A and E. The clue is in the name.

Re: Blair comeback? : Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:13 am  

Dally, you really are misleading. From one visit to one A&E in one place, you project the statistics to the whole NHS. I'm suprised you didn't put it on the side of a bus. Facts "Around 13 per cent of people who attend A&E are discharged without requiring treatment, and a further 35 per cent receive guidance or advice only (HSCIC 2016). This does not mean that all these people are attending A&E unnecessarily or could be cared for elsewhere. For example, someone who leaves A&E without being admitted may well have attended appropriately because they required treatment or assessment that only A&E could provide. Estimates vary but a survey of 3,000 people in 12 A&E units conducted for the Royal College of Emergency Medicine found that 15 per cent could have been treated in the community; again this is not to say that they all went to A&E 'inappropriately'." Even if we put the 48% to one side (13%+35%) (and the comments above suggest we shouldn't, but for the sake of argument), that leaves 52% needing treatment: compared to your "nodody else had any sign of physical injury or was showing signs of distress / pain". "Most people go to A&E during working hours, and these hourly patterns in attendances have remained largely unchanged in recent years. However, people are clearly uncertain about how to access out-of-hours care – results from the GP Patient Survey in July 2015 found that only around 56 per cent of people said they knew who to contact out-of-hours. While this is higher than 2014, it is actually lower than in previous years." So its not largely malingerers. "Evidence suggests that more people are being admitted to hospital from A&E. Compared to 2011/12, in 2014/15 there were an additional 356,000 hospital admissions from A&E departments in England; a growth of 10 per cent over this period. Admissions from A&E in the first three quarters of 2015/16 are up by almost 1.5 per cent compared to 2014/15. Though a small percentage increase, this is the equivalent of 4,705 additional people a month." So these were not inappropriate visits. source https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/u ... #somewhere sorry but post-truth politics should be firmly challenged

Dally, you really are misleading. From one visit to one A&E in one place, you project the statistics to the whole NHS. I'm suprised you didn't put it on the side of a bus. Facts "Around 13 per cent of people who attend A&E are discharged without requiring treatment, and a further 35 per cent receive guidance or advice only (HSCIC 2016). This does not mean that all these people are attending A&E unnecessarily or could be cared for elsewhere. For example, someone who leaves A&E without being admitted may well have attended appropriately because they required treatment or assessment that only A&E could provide. Estimates vary but a survey of 3,000 people in 12 A&E units conducted for the Royal College of Emergency Medicine found that 15 per cent could have been treated in the community; again this is not to say that they all went to A&E 'inappropriately'." Even if we put the 48% to one side (13%+35%) (and the comments above suggest we shouldn't, but for the sake of argument), that leaves 52% needing treatment: compared to your "nodody else had any sign of physical injury or was showing signs of distress / pain". "Most people go to A&E during working hours, and these hourly patterns in attendances have remained largely unchanged in recent years. However, people are clearly uncertain about how to access out-of-hours care – results from the GP Patient Survey in July 2015 found that only around 56 per cent of people said they knew who to contact out-of-hours. While this is higher than 2014, it is actually lower than in previous years." So its not largely malingerers. "Evidence suggests that more people are being admitted to hospital from A&E. Compared to 2011/12, in 2014/15 there were an additional 356,000 hospital admissions from A&E departments in England; a growth of 10 per cent over this period. Admissions from A&E in the first three quarters of 2015/16 are up by almost 1.5 per cent compared to 2014/15. Though a small percentage increase, this is the equivalent of 4,705 additional people a month." So these were not inappropriate visits. source https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/u ... #somewhere sorry but post-truth politics should be firmly challenged

Re: Blair comeback? : Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:13 am  

Nice one Hillbilly

He does seem to have a certain agenda, which is a little extreme.