FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  
 Current LIVE TV Match : Hull Kingston Rovers 34 - 10 Hull FC LIVE ON SKY SPORTS Tanginoa Try, Lewis Goal
WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - A ' Nice ' style attack in Britain , now Berlin
::Off-topic discussion.
Miro 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1345No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 29 200618 years297th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Dec 21 14:401st Dec 21 10:55LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Wakefield

I don't understand the last paragraph. Are you claiming anyone who questions the official narrative are "conspiracists" rather than open minded ? By your tone I suggest you have a closed mind otherwise you too would be a "conspiracist" and we can't have that can we? So which is it? By the way, who are these people who claim "ANY terrorist killing was in reality done by the government?"
How about instead of "conspirasist" you use the term open minded, especially straight after the event. That after all is the best time to be so minded don't you think? rather than ridicule, which you appear to be doing which seems to be the case with people who use the term "conspiracy theorist" to undermine anyone who thinks.... rather than blindly follows.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star5505No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 28 201014 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
13th Feb 24 15:5913th Feb 24 15:59LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Albi, France

To answer the original question ( if anyone can recall the original question ).
The IRA with all their bombing and murder didn't change too much so why should a few Islamist terrorists ?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 17 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Feb 20 11:2324th Oct 19 15:32LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
MACS0647-JD
Signature
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total

Miro wrote:
I don't understand the last paragraph. Are you claiming anyone who questions the official narrative are "conspiracists" rather than open minded ?

Briliant. Standard truther counter. Straight in with "questions the official narrative". :CLAP:

Miro wrote:
By your tone I suggest you have a closed mind otherwise

And another. "Go straight to ad hominem". You're not very good at this, are you?

Miro wrote:
By the way, who are these people who claim "ANY terrorist killing was in reality done by the government?"

Nobody needs any help in finding them or reading what they spew.

Miro wrote:
How about instead of "conspirasist" you use the term open minded, especially straight after the event. That after all is the best time to be so minded don't you think?

No, I don't think that at all. I think that it is pretty straightforward in this case, that a man with very dark ulterior personal motivations has basically committed suicide whilst carrying out a terrorists atrocity. I have no grounds at all to seriously consider taht in fact it woz da guvenment or da CIA wot done it and to ruminate anally about the possibility is a sign of psychosis.

Miro wrote:
"conspiracy theorist" to undermine anyone who thinks.... rather than blindly follows.


The thing is, truthers always want to claim the high ground, and you are "MIS thinking, not thinking, which is something entirely different. Next, all we need is you calling me "sheeple"
Miro 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1345No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 29 200618 years297th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
6th Dec 21 14:401st Dec 21 10:55LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Wakefield

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:
Briliant. Standard truther counter. Straight in with "questions the official narrative". :CLAP:

And another. "Go straight to ad hominem". You're not very good at this, are you?

Nobody needs any help in finding them or reading what they spew.

No, I don't think that at all. I think that it is pretty straightforward in this case, that a man with very dark ulterior personal motivations has basically committed suicide whilst carrying out a terrorists atrocity. I have no grounds at all to seriously consider taht in fact it woz da guvenment or da CIA wot done it and to ruminate anally about the possibility is a sign of psychosis.

The thing is, truthers always want to claim the high ground, and you are "MIS thinking, not thinking, which is something entirely different. Next, all we need is you calling me "sheeple"


No, YOUR not very good at this. After all, you can't answer a simple question. Try again.
"Are you claiming anyone who questions the official narrative are "conspiracists" rather than open minded ?"

"And another. "Go straight to ad hominem". You're not very good at this, are you?
There you go, ridiculing again. In Latin too, how clever of you.

You consider it "pretty straight forward". How come? Love to hear why you think so. However, you did type "THINK.. that it is pretty straight forward" Careful now, you'll be classified as a "truther"


"taht in fact it woz da guvenment or da CIA wot done it"
Whaaa???

Why am "I MIS thinking." Is that possible ?

And lastly, why this talk about "truthers"? No where in my statement did I apportion blame to anyone so why try to label me.. Rather I was arguing for an open mind whenever any event, no matter what that event is, takes place.

Next, all we need is you calling me "sheeple"

I'll leave the insults to you.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 17 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Feb 20 11:2324th Oct 19 15:32LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
MACS0647-JD
Signature
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total

Miro wrote:
No, YOUR not very good at this. After all, you can't answer a simple question. Try again.
"Are you claiming anyone who questions the official narrative are "conspiracists" rather than open minded ?"

Of course not. The issue is not with being "open minded", but with the lack of critical faculties to do so in a reasonable way. If a large seagull shoites on my windscreen, I am not "open minded" that it might in fact have been a CIA operative trying to make me crash, or a leak from a jetliner chemtrail tank, or an alien death ray. I exaggerate to make the point, of course, but it is that there are times when it is reasonable to be "open minded", and other times when to claim to be "open minded" is stupid or even perverse.

"And another. "Go straight to ad hominem". You're not very good at this, are you?
There you go, ridiculing again. In Latin too, how clever of you.

I was pulling you up on switching to ad hom rather than sticking to a straight response. It would only be ridicule if you didn't know you were doing it, but you did. I object to ad hom rather than reasoned discussion. Use of "ad hominem" is normal conversation not pretension. Most understand such common phrases, including "e.g.", "et cetera", and they are part of normal discussion. Anyone not understanding it can google it in a second. You making any comment at all about it just therefore makes you seem pointlessly pedantic.

You consider it "pretty straight forward". How come? Love to hear why you think so. However, you did type "THINK.. that it is pretty straight forward" Careful now, you'll be classified as a "truther"

Very funny, but of course "truthers" is an ironic term. I thought it was straightforward then, and it seems indeed it was. The better question would be, why would a "truther" reasonably think it was not?

And lastly, why this talk about "truthers"? No where in my statement did I apportion blame to anyone so why try to label me.. Rather I was arguing for an open mind whenever any event, no matter what that event is, takes place.

See my first point above. That is precisely the point, the befuddled and hard of thinking persuade themselves that this is what clever and deep-thinking people do, when in fact in most cases there is no justification for wasting time in navel-gazing and endless musings and madcap theories.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member4159No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 27 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Oct 19 12:388th Oct 19 12:29LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Anytown
Signature
Sad preacher nailed upon the coloured door of time;
Insane teacher be there reminded of the rhyme.
There'll be no mutant enemy we shall certify;
Political ends, as sad remains, will die.

Trying to get in between the row: Miro, please, Occam's Razor would suggest that this action was the result of a crazed person.
As are most attacks.

As to can armed police stop such persons acting violently on our streets, the evidence of the average Saturday night is NO. Fortunately such individuals usually single out one or two persons and rarely go as far as killing them.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2418No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 08 20168 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Mar 20 21:279th Mar 20 07:34LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
snaivooladniv eht fo thgim eht eraweb

This subject under discussion on ' Sunday morning live ' on the Beeb ATM , again the simple question asked " How do you stop somebody willing to die from killing potentially hundreds of people without actually shooting them ? "
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach17871
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 24 201113 years46th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 10:1328th Mar 24 10:32LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

GUBRATS wrote:
This subject under discussion on ' Sunday morning live ' on the Beeb ATM , again the simple question asked " How do you stop somebody willing to die from killing potentially hundreds of people without actually shooting them ? "


And therein lies the problem.
Any attacker who is "happy" to die for their cause (whatever that may be), is very difficult to defend against.

The Nice incident was impossible to defend.

There has to be more done to cultivate an environment where there is more tolerance in the world, on all sides but, currently The Middle East is extremely volatile and with Mr Trump trying to gain power in the USA, the world will become less stable.

It's only a matter of time before something on a similar scale happens in the UK.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 17 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Feb 20 11:2324th Oct 19 15:32LINK
Milestone Posts
25000
30000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
MACS0647-JD
Signature
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total

wrencat1873 wrote:
And therein lies the problem.
Any attacker who is "happy" to die for their cause (whatever that may be), is very difficult to defend against.

The Nice incident was impossible to defend.

...


It's even worse than that. There only ever was a Nice incident because the lunatic managed to perpetrate the act. But had he been barred from driving into the area, then nobody would ever know or even suspect that such an insignificant "stop" had prevented a massacre.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach17871
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 24 201113 years46th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
29th Mar 24 10:1328th Mar 24 10:32LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:
It's even worse than that. There only ever was a Nice incident because the lunatic managed to perpetrate the act. But had he been barred from driving into the area, then nobody would ever know or even suspect that such an insignificant "stop" had prevented a massacre.


It would have been nigh on impossible to blockade every French Town/City centre for the Bastille Day celebrations and if, a "lock down" is required before any "mass" gathering of people, there are all sorts of issues with staging these type of events. Even the different types of "protest" march that we regularly see in England, would become difficult to stage.
Of course, any type of gathering can become a target, if somebody or organisation wishes to target civilians (The Boston Marathon being a prime example).

Ultimately and ironically, this ends up being part of the cost of freedom.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 201 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to The Sin Bin


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
7m
The Record-Breaking Good Friday Derby Massacre
Plum Bob
230
11m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
56066
12m
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
Trojan Horse
38
16m
Hull FC
BarnsleyGull
38
19m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
34340
28m
Saints a
thesaint71
27
32m
Protest
Chris71
15
34m
Rd 6 I Cas A
Once were Lo
137
42m
Surprise Surprise
Dunkirk Spir
64
44m
Ky Rodwell
Trojan Horse
113
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
24s
Rd 6 I Cas A
Once were Lo
137
26s
Fevround 2
The Phantom
92
32s
State of the Nation
UllFC
232
34s
TV games not Wire
matt_wire
2876
49s
York - 14th April
PopTart
23
54s
Squad for Catalan
CW8
19
55s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
34340
1m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Jason65
1935
1m
Investment
Bully_Boxer
32
1m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
B0NES
369
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Protest
Chris71
15
TODAY
New Investors
BullRaider
2
TODAY
Wigan/Saints
Douglas Blac
3
TODAY
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
York - 14th April
PopTart
23
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
WYSIWYG2
5
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
CW8
19
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
AdamH
1
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
thesaint71
27
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
TODAY
Wardle
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Huddersfield - Home
Deadcowboys1
9
TODAY
Max Wood on loan to Bradford 2 weeks
rubber ducki
7
TODAY
Jake Wardle 5 Year deal
Zig
22
TODAY
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
Trojan Horse
38
TODAY
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangements
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhino..
182
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
605
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
724
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
603
Warrington Demolish London For..
706
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
765
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
739
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
984
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
945
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1094
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1062
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1132
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1104
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3888
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
1223
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.57M 3,283 80,00114,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TODAY
National Rugby League 2024-R4
 FT
Hover 
Souths
20-16
Canterbury
 FT
Hover 
Brisbane
38-12
NQL Cowboys
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6

 
12:30
Hull KR
34-10
Hull FC
Tanginoa Try, Lewis Goal
Championship 2024-R2

 
14:00
Widnes
v
Swinton
Latest
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6
15:00
St.Helens
v
Wigan
Championship 2024-R2
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Barrow
17:00
Dewsbury
v
Batley
18:00
Featherstone
v
Wakefield
19:30
Bradford
v
Halifax
19:30
Doncaster
v
Sheffield
League One 2024-R2
19:30
Hunslet
v
Keighley
 TOMORROW
National Rugby League 2024-R4
06:30
St.George
v
Manly
08:35
Gold Coast
v
Dolphins
Mens Super League XXVIII-R6
15:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
League One 2024-R2
15:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 29th Mar
SL
12:30
Hull KR34-10Hull FC
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Wigan
Sat 30th Mar
SL
15:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
17:30
Salford-Leigh
Sun 31st Mar
SL
15:00
LondonB-Huddersfield
L1
15:00
Oldham-Rochdale
Thu 4th Apr
SL
20:00
Leigh-Wigan
Fri 5th Apr
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
Hull KR-LondonB
SL
20:00
Leeds-Warrington
Sat 6th Apr
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-St.Helens
Sat 13th Apr
CC2024
17:00
Hull KR-Leigh
Sun 14th Apr
CC2024
16:30
St.Helens-Warrington
Fri 19th Apr
SL
20:00
Leeds-Huddersfield
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Wigan-Castleford
Sat 20th Apr
SL
15:00
Warrington-Leigh
SL
17:30
Catalans-Hull KR
Sun 21st Apr
SL
15:00
LondonB-Salford
Fri 29th Mar
SL
LIVE
Hull KR34-10Hull FC
NRL
LIVE
Souths20-16Canterbury
NRL
LIVE
Brisbane38-12NQL Cowboys
Thu 28th Mar
SL 6 Castleford6-26Leeds
NRL 4 Sydney16-22Penrith
Sun 24th Mar
CC2024 6 Halifax4-40Catalans
NRL 3 Parramatta28-24Manly
NRL 3 Newcastle14-12Melbourne
L1 1 Cornwall16-40Crusaders
L1 1 Keighley58-16Workington
L1 1 Midlands70-16Newcastle
L1 1 Rochdale24-26Hunslet
WOMCC2024 2 FeatherstoneW38-6Shef W
WOMCC2024 2 BarrowW18-20WiganW
WOMCC2024 2 LonB W6-24Wire W
WOMCC2024 2 HKR Wom0-90LeedsW
WOMCC2024 2 Lei L W6-36Hudds W
Sat 23rd Mar
CC2024 6 Batley14-28Castleford
CC2024 6 Huddersfield50-6Hull FC
CC2024 6 Leigh26-14Featherstone
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Warrington 5 156 58 98 8
Wigan 4 144 54 90 8
St.Helens 5 118 40 78 8
Catalans 5 126 54 72 8
Hull KR 6 126 73 53 8
Leeds 6 108 88 20 8
 
Salford 5 95 96 -1 6
Huddersfield 5 94 98 -4 4
Leigh 4 82 54 28 2
Hull FC 6 64 190 -126 2
Castleford 6 62 204 -142 0
LondonB 5 54 220 -166 0
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Widnes 1 44 8 36 2
Wakefield 1 42 12 30 2
Doncaster 1 36 20 16 2
Halifax 1 24 10 14 2
Featherstone 1 24 20 4 2
Sheffield 1 24 22 2 2
 
Whitehaven 1 18 16 2 2
Toulouse 1 22 24 -2 0
Swinton 1 16 18 -2 0
Batley 1 20 24 -4 0
Dewsbury 1 10 24 -14 0
York 1 20 36 -16 0
Bradford 1 12 42 -30 0
Barrow 1 8 44 -36 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
7m
The Record-Breaking Good Friday Derby Massacre
Plum Bob
230
11m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
56066
12m
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
Trojan Horse
38
16m
Hull FC
BarnsleyGull
38
19m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
34340
28m
Saints a
thesaint71
27
32m
Protest
Chris71
15
34m
Rd 6 I Cas A
Once were Lo
137
42m
Surprise Surprise
Dunkirk Spir
64
44m
Ky Rodwell
Trojan Horse
113
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
24s
Rd 6 I Cas A
Once were Lo
137
26s
Fevround 2
The Phantom
92
32s
State of the Nation
UllFC
232
34s
TV games not Wire
matt_wire
2876
49s
York - 14th April
PopTart
23
54s
Squad for Catalan
CW8
19
55s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
34340
1m
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
Jason65
1935
1m
Investment
Bully_Boxer
32
1m
Smith - should he stay or should he go
B0NES
369
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Protest
Chris71
15
TODAY
New Investors
BullRaider
2
TODAY
Wigan/Saints
Douglas Blac
3
TODAY
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhinos Go Level Top
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
York - 14th April
PopTart
23
TODAY
Stats article
Sir Gregory
5
TODAY
21 man Squads - Devils v Leopards
WYSIWYG2
5
TODAY
Squad for Catalan
CW8
19
TODAY
The Wigan Way - New Podcast - Chairman Special
Jukesays
1
TODAY
Dons v Swinton Lions 30 June 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Squad for Sheffield
AdamH
1
TODAY
London Away
Fartown58
1
TODAY
The Bulls away
terry silver
9
TODAY
The official Leon Hayes Thread
Smiffy27
18
TODAY
Saints a
thesaint71
27
TODAY
Leon Ruan signs on loan
Jemmo
2
TODAY
Wardle
Jo Jumbuck
3
TODAY
Huddersfield - Home
Deadcowboys1
9
TODAY
Max Wood on loan to Bradford 2 weeks
rubber ducki
7
TODAY
Jake Wardle 5 Year deal
Zig
22
TODAY
No grade A for 2025 for Trinity
Trojan Horse
38
TODAY
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangements
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Another Tigers Defeat As Rhino..
182
Cup Quarter Final TV Arrangeme..
605
2024 Challenge Cup Quarter Fin..
724
Easy Does It For The Dragons A..
603
Warrington Demolish London For..
706
Leigh Leopards Beat Plucky Fea..
765
Saints Triumph Over Disappoint..
739
Easy Win for the Wolves Over L..
984
Dragons Condemn Castleford To ..
945
Leigh Leopards Secure First Po..
1094
St Helens Tame The Rhinos To W..
1062
Wigan Warriors Come From Behin..
1132
Betfred Championship and Leagu..
1104
2024 Challenge Cup Sixth Round..
3888
Featherstone Win Extra Time Cu..
1223


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!