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Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:39 am  
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not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.


Do you also find self loathing therapeutic as well as despising individuals less fortunate than yourself?
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Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:20 pm  
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Or take the bull by the horns and rely on themselves to make a difference for themselves and possibly some others?

You mean running their own business?
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Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:23 pm  
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not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.

You said people should get off their backsides and do something to change their situation.
Does that include working together with others to improve many peoples working lives?
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Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:32 pm  
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not my responsibility, I am firmly a greedy capitalist, if others cannot be bothered to get off their backsides and achieve then that is up to them.


Where is the like button?
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Re: The Labour party leadership thread : Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:57 pm  
The thing is, if all these people "got off their backsides, and achieved" then the world would essentially grind to a halt. Who would stack the shelves in the supermarket? Who would load the luggage on to the planes at the airport? Who would process the invoices for all the "achievers"?
What would happen if developing commodity exporting countries, and the workers within those countries working for peanuts because they don't feel they have another choice suddenly realised that they're being bent over, and actually started charging a more appropriate price for their labour, commodities?

The fact is, big business needs a significant amount of unskilled labour to pick from to exploit. It needs a high level of poverty, and corruption in developing countries to keep their import costs down.
Governments need people on welfare to buy votes. Big business needs government, to be able the pass legislation that favours their interests.
There're are definitely people in society who are parasites, and exploit the system, but many of those people are the ones who designed the system in the first place.
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