Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:41 am  

Gareth1984 wrote:

christians who choose to reject scientific evidence which contradicts your doctrine.

Watch the documentary I referred to earlier.

I blame the yanks and their newer interpretations.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:39 pm  

Gareth1984 wrote:

These theistic scientists say they believe in god, many of them go to church and practice their faith in the same way as many other believers. On what basis can you possibly claim that these scientists don't really beleive in God.

Believing in God doesn't make you a Christian.

It seems rather arrogant of you to suggest that because these scientists are willing to accept the vast amounts of evidence in favour off evolution and an earth which is 4.5 billion years old that they are any less of a believer than you or other christians who choose to reject scientific evidence which contradicts your doctrine.

There is not vast amounts of evidence. They do not honestly believe in Jesus' sacrifice because they cannot properly believe in original sin.

The argument that you responded said that there are scientists who believe in God, here you are merely shifting the goalposts by asking him to name a scientist who is born again, despite the fact there was no claim regarding scientists being "born again" in his post.

Believing in God is not synonymous with being "born again", there are a large number of people who believe in god yet have never been "born again".

Show me a scientist who has been born again? Again, being born again in Christ is different to simply being a deist.

Are you for instance suggesting that Catholics do not believe in God as they are not "born again"?

Most aren't, sadly.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:21 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Believing in God doesn't make you a Christian.

I never suggested anything of the sort. Why don't you address what I actually said regarding your dismissal of the beliefs of thiestic scientists rather than attacking a straw man.

There is not vast amounts of evidence. They do not honestly believe in Jesus' sacrifice because they cannot properly believe in original sin.

They reject you particular interpretation of christiantity however they still consider themselves christians just as you consider yourself to be a christian.

As an atheist I'm not going to speak for these christians who interpret their religious beliefs however it is arrogant of you to suggest that christians who hold a different interpretation to you are not really christians when they consider themselves to be.

I do however have much more respect for those christians who are willing to evaluate their beliefs in the light of evidence than those whose interpretations of religious doctrine require will ignorance and abandonment of reason such as yourself.

Show me a scientist who has been born again? Again, being born again in Christ is different to simply being a deist.

Once again you fail to respond to the point that I actually made. You shifted the goalposts by asking for the poster you were responding to name a "born again" scientist when the point he made was that there are scientists who believe in god a point which you have failed to address despite responding to this point.

Either you lack basic reading comprehension skills or you are being deliberately disengenous with your response to Kosh's point regarding theistic scientists.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:12 pm  

Hell's teeth: are we back to Kirkstaller grandstanding arrogantly about what a perfect little Christian he is and how everyone else isn't?

At least he's probably putting more people off religion than recruiting them.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:21 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Hell's teeth: are we back to Kirkstaller grandstanding arrogantly about what a perfect little Christian he is and how everyone else isn't?

At least he's probably putting more people off religion than recruiting them.

Where have I 'grandstanded' anything?

I won't be talked down to by a fraud whose own parents probably hate them. You are working for Satan and thus I will not engage with you.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:25 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

You are working for Satan and thus I will not engage with you.

This Satan, is he the one who undid all of your god's work by introducing Lust and Virus's and other stuff that your god had never thought about during those seven days of hard graft ?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:25 pm  

Gareth1984 wrote:

I never suggested anything of the sort. Why don't you address what I actually said regarding your dismissal of the beliefs of thiestic scientists rather than attacking a straw man.

Again, not a straw man. I'm just saying that believing in God does not make you a Christian.

They reject you particular interpretation of christiantity however they still consider themselves christians just as you consider yourself to be a christian.

God does not consider them to be Christian. They think they know better than God, they deny his creation and they deny original sin. They do not by any definition come close to being Christian. Non=Christians have no authority on this matter.

As an atheist I'm not going to speak for these christians who interpret their religious beliefs however it is arrogant of you to suggest that christians who hold a different interpretation to you are not really christians when they consider themselves to be.

Their beliefs are not supported by Scripture. They are not Christians.

I do however have much more respect for those christians who are willing to evaluate their beliefs in the light of evidence than those whose interpretations of religious doctrine require will ignorance and abandonment of reason such as yourself.

Christians-lite, you mean?

Once again you fail to respond to the point that I actually made. You shifted the goalposts by asking for the poster you were responding to name a "born again" scientist when the point he made was that there are scientists who believe in god a point which you have failed to address despite responding to this point.

Scientists believing in God is not relevant, though.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:26 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

This Satan, is he the one who undid all of your god's work by introducing Lust and Virus's and other stuff that your god had never thought about during those seven days of hard graft ?

The Bible is clear that he encouraged us to sin, yes. He continues unto this day.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:29 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

The Bible is clear that he encouraged us to sin, yes. He continues unto this day.

So he is the one who blind-sided your god within a few days of him creating the world and everything in it, apart from Lust, virus's and the Giants Causeway ?

Excellent, he sounds like he is the man, certainly a lot more clever than your god - where do I go to worship this Satan god then, the Catholic church ?

Please forgive my ignorance, these churches don't all follow the same god do they ?

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:33 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

So he is the one who blind-sided your god within a few days of him creating the world and everything in it, apart from Lust, virus's and the Giants Causeway ?

Excellent, he sounds like he is the man, certainly a lot more clever than your god - where do I go to worship this Satan god then, the Catholic church ?

I do believe that he has pervaded the RC church, yes. That would be a good place to start.

Please forgive my ignorance, these churches don't all follow the same god do they ?

No, a lot of Christian sects say they worship the same God. Sadly, most have been deceived by Satan.