Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:35 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So, in conclusion, now that the Tory lovers on here have decided that it was in fact Wilson who began the closure of the pits, we should at least proclaim him "The Godfather of Green Policies" and clear Maggie of all of her (non existent) Green credentials .

It's been an interesting watch how all the flies gathered around the corpse though.

Atlee closed a fair few way before Wilson

[Durham Giant]

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:18 pm  

JONNYGIANT wrote:

Atlee closed a fair few way before Wilson

I think that you will find that most of the early closures under Atlee Wilson and Heath were due to the fact that the pits were no longer capable of producing coal or were not safe. Everyone accepts that coal,seams get mined out and are effectively EMPTY of coal. What you will also find is that when those pits closed miners tended to move to other areas . So you had lots of Durham miners go to Northumberland or down to Notts.

The. Closures under Thatcher in the main were of pits That still had Coal . Often it was coal that could still be mined but not at a price that was as cheap as polish coal or even Australian So they were deemed uneconomic. I am still waiting for wotsupcas to provide evidence that it cosy £400 to produce £1 of coal as that is. It something I ever heard during the strike. Many economic arguements were put forward which clearly said that the making of miners be unemployed far outweighed the losses on any coal mined. It was a pure free market economic arguement to close them down allied to the attempts to destroy the Trade Unions and allow for a much more free market approach to running the economy.

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:48 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

I think that you will find that most of the early closures under Atlee Wilson and Heath were due to the fact that the pits were no longer capable of producing coal or were not safe. Everyone accepts that coal,seams get mined out and are effectively EMPTY of coal. What you will also find is that when those pits closed miners tended to move to other areas . So you had lots of Durham miners go to Northumberland or down to Notts.

The. Closures under Thatcher in the main were of pits That still had Coal . Often it was coal that could still be mined but not at a price that was as cheap as polish coal or even Australian So they were deemed uneconomic. I am still waiting for wotsupcas to provide evidence that it cosy £400 to produce £1 of coal as that is. It something I ever heard during the strike. Many economic arguements were put forward which clearly said that the making of miners be unemployed far outweighed the losses on any coal mined. It was a pure free market economic arguement to close them down allied to the attempts to destroy the Trade Unions and allow for a much more free market approach to running the economy.

Indeed.
Thatcher's beef was more political than just economics and the fall out wasn't just the miners.
It's ironic that government is applauded for securing the Toyota plant staying in the UK, with grants and other sweeteners, sighting the supply chain and local economy etc but, this, if it was even considered in the late 70's / 80's, didn't seem to matter when the pits closed.

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:37 pm  

Well Chissitt someone up there does not like you because after taking a wrong turn who should I see but your mate from Waterton. He is a mechanic by the way but does know you, how’s Wath by the way a bit of a change from where you started like me.
I ask him why he felt so negative about me after all I barely know him or him me which he agreed. He apparently has not seen you down at the club for quite sometime and actually never saw me in the stands, he also doesn’t know where you got the idea that he did. I believe you use to walk to the ground together until you reached a fish shop where you parted way. He was quite adamant that he had not spoken about me to anyone so I suggested the next time he sees you to correct your errors, he did at least remember your name. I would also state that actually I left Waterton long before Carter and Chester started to play there.
I am going to leave it at that and don’t try to comeback with one of your other incarnations.

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:26 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Well Chissitt someone up there does not like you because after taking a wrong turn who should I see but your mate from Waterton. He is a mechanic by the way but does know you, how’s Wath by the way a bit of a change from where you started like me.
I ask him why he felt so negative about me after all I barely know him or him me which he agreed. He apparently has not seen you down at the club for quite sometime and actually never saw me in the stands, he also doesn’t know where you got the idea that he did. I believe you use to walk to the ground together until you reached a fish shop where you parted way. He was quite adamant that he had not spoken about me to anyone so I suggested the next time he sees you to correct your errors, he did at least remember your name. I would also state that actually I left Waterton long before Carter and Chester started to play there.
I am going to leave it at that and don’t try to comeback with one of your other incarnations.

I suppose I should be grateful that you for giving me the chance to put you right again, the only Waterton I know is Waterton Rd in Lupset or if it's a golf course then I've never heard of it never mind know where it is, the chap I know is definitely a green keeper at some golf course although It would be a guess as to which one, If you mean Wath on Dearne by Wath then I have to disappoint you as I don't live there and would seriously have to get the sat nav out to get there, So just to sum things up I live in Barnsley yet I walk to the ground with this chap you conveniently dropped on after taking a wrong turn, was that on Eastmoor by the way? he apparently hasn't seen me down at the club for quite sometime and we used to walk to the fish shop together where we then parted was that before we ate fish & chips or after, in a nutshell either it's a complete fabrication on your part or you seriously need to curtail your alcohol intake, maybe keep out of the Butchers Arms, and one last thing it's not surprising he hasn't said anything to you if in fact he's real as clearly it's the wrong chap.
Btw just to be clear, I park my car in the cemetery on Sugar Lane at the side of that stone building and I don't use the Con club as I am a tee total and have been for quite a number of years. HTH

[Durham Giant]

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:40 pm  

Ok Scarlett and Chissit.
Stick to the topic. Anymore I now your gardener golf club or gym owner in WF 10 or WF12 is as far as I am concerned at best a wind up and it worst intimidatory cut it out or it will be holiday time for you .

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:50 am  

Durham Giant wrote:

Ok Scarlett and Chissit.
Stick to the topic. Anymore I now your gardener golf club or gym owner in WF 10 or WF12 is as far as I am concerned at best a wind up and it worst intimidatory cut it out or it will be holiday time for you .

Even today from the sky she creates division and hatred!! At least she has a legacy unlike some PM's we've had in recent times.

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:31 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Even today from the sky she creates division and hatred!! At least she has a legacy unlike some PM's we've had in recent times.

I'm not sure that the legacy she left was such a good one.
Individual greed and feck the working classes. Mmm................

Mind you, ultimately, it was the mess that she left that helped get Labour back in.

Using Bojo's logic, she's probably the godmother of socialism

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:16 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I'm not sure that the legacy she left was such a good one.
Individual greed and feck the working classes. Mmm................

Mind you, ultimately, it was the mess that she left that helped get Labour back in.

Using Bojo's logic, she's probably the godmother of socialism

It was hardly Thatchers mess as she left office in 1990. Majors mess maybe but tbf the economy was in pretty good shape in 1997 when the electorate were taken in by snake oil salesman Blair

Re: Maggie Thatcher eco warrior ? : Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:53 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Indeed.
Thatcher's beef was more political than just economics and the fall out wasn't just the miners.
It's ironic that government is applauded for securing the Toyota plant staying in the UK, with grants and other sweeteners, sighting the supply chain and local economy etc but, this, if it was even considered in the late 70's / 80's, didn't seem to matter when the pits closed.

The difference is that the need for coal was declining dramatically with coal exports down to next to nothing ,so why subsidise a dying industry ,the market for Toyota cars and Van's is increasing big time